We know that January 20th is a "drop dead", last ditch date for the President to leave office and for the President-Elect to move into the White House. This is set in stone by the Constitution,and cannot be delayed without a Constitutional Amendment.
We also know that Electors cannot be elected by their States in December until the election has been Certified. The results of these elections must be certified and announced by the U.S. House of Representatives on January 6th after the 538 State Electors have announced their Presidential preference. Most states have chosen their Electors on a winner take all basis for the Presidential preference.
If no Presidential candidate receives the required 270 votes the election is determined by a "Contingency" procedure established by the 12th Amendment. The incoming newly elected Congress then meets to choose one of the top three electoral vote winners as President of the United States. The Senate chooses the Vice-President the same way.
Now here is what, I suspect, most of us didn't know. This process was modified by the 20th Amendment in 1933 that reduces the length of the Lame Duck Congress; AND INSTEAD, THE INCOMING NEWLY ELECTED CONGRESS/SENATE CONDUCTS THE CONTINGENT ELECTIONS! If that Congress has not chosen a President by January 20 then the Vice-President Elect!, becomes acting President.
But we haven't forgotten Nancy Pelosi. Sec.3 of the 20th Amendment also specifies that IF neither a President or Vice-President is elected IN TIME for the January 20th Inauguration, then the Speaker of the House becomes acting President until the incoming House selects a President or the Senate selects a Vice-President. This is according to the Presidential Succession Act of 1947. They must continue voting until they do.
Is this an invitation to deceit, manipulation and fraud?Let us count the ways.
First, Mail-In Balloting, of course, is ripe for fraud, dumping, shredding, delaying, counterfeiting you can fill-in the rest. I live in a conservative area of a very Blue State that has voted by mail for many years. The heavily populated Liberal/Marxist area of our State has been gaming this effectively for a long time.
Second, their assertions that there is no difference between Absentee Ballots and Mail-in Ballots is, of course, a lie. Absentee Ballots must be requested, the voter Identified as a legal resident. Upon return it is logged in, dated, and certified. If you want to check that your ballot has been received by your Elections Office you can. With Mail-in balloting none of these safeguards are in place and you will never know if it was counted or disappeared into a democrat dark hole somewhere. Are the D's capable of discovering or losing ballots in a swamp? Just ask Pam Bondi, former Attorney General of Florida, about the 2000 Presidential election.
If Blue State Dems cant beat Trump straight-up they can take forever to count the ballots(two months and counting for the special Congressional election in New York by Mail-In ballot); and delay or not certify State Electors in time for Congressional certification by the mandatory January 6th date.
This will begin the wheels turning for a Contingent Election; a process that can be shamelessly manipulated if democrats retain a majority in the new Congress that will conduct it.
Mail-In Ballots will give these people an unrivaled opportunity to scam both the Electoral system and the Constitution. Is there any doubt they would try.
We need to call them out and encourage our President to make clear he will not accept a Corrupted Mail-In Ballot system crafted to produce a dystopian Marxist remnant of this Land we love, honor, and make our homes.
They also need to know and feel in their bones that we will not accept it either.
You need to clear up what "congress" and the HR are.
Election results don’t have to be certified. The constitution lets state legislatures select their electors how ever they want. There doesn’t even have to be a popular vote AT ALL. If the voting gets completely jacked, the state legislatures can call it off. Or they can use the results tabulated. Or they can toss a freaking if they want.
God have mercy.
Mark Levin went into a detailed analysis of this on his radio show yesterday (Aug 4). Great analysis. The Great One said (if I remember correctly) Pelosi can’t be president because it’s not voted on by 435 members but by each state. California has 52 congress critters but only get one vote the same as Wyoming with 2 congress critters. There’s 26 red states. Trump should get the majority.
These couple of sentences make no sense:
We also know that Electors cannot be elected by their States in December until the election has been Certified. The results of these elections must be certified and announced by the U.S. House of Representatives on January 6th after the 538 State Electors have announced their Presidential preference.
Nope. The election will be determined by the states, such that each state shall have one vote, based on which party has the majority of its representatives. The Republicans win, 27-23.
Should have listened to Mark Levin last night
Ain’t gonna happen
I thought it was the President Pro temp of the Senate. I know NP is third in line, but I thought this situation was different.
It’s going to be a goat rodeo.
States that have their elections end up in chaos will call a special session of their legislatures to pass a law choosing their electors directly.
There will be an Electoral College vote. The key clause is in the 12th amendment to the Constitution:
The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed;
The President will not need 270 Electoral College votes, just the majority of APPOINTED Electors. States that withhold their Electors due to their own created chaos will reduce the required number by half their Electoral Vote count. If Illinois cannot send their 20 electors to the Electoral College, then the number required to win becomes 260, not 270. The more Democrat states that can't certify their elections, the lower the threshold to win.
It will behoove the Democrat states to certify their elections in time for the Electoral College vote, one way or another.
-PJ
Another scenario is they select Peggy Duckworth for Veep. We all know Peggy was born in Bangkok from parents that were citizens of Thailand. Nothing in the constitution states you have to be a natural born citizen to be Veep but she could never assume the office of POTUS. Common sense would be that she could not even run for Veep for that mere fact but this is uncommon times and she is a wounded vet which would silence her opposition. Now they stuff the ballot and Uncle Joe has a severe brain fart and cannot assume office. Peggy is not qualified. SanFranNan assumes office for the next four years. That is also an option that most never thought about.
Under your scenario, why would there not be a President or Vice President by January 20th? Even if there is a delay caused by mail-in ballots, most, if not all, states have provisions for resolving those issues well before the electors meet in December. Even if a state fails to appoint electors, that will not stop Congress from counting the electoral votes on January 6 as provided by 3 U.S.C. 15. If no one receives a majority, the contingent election occurs immediately—there is no provision for delay just because not all electoral votes have been certified.
I suppose it is possible that, either due to deadlocked state delegations or the vote splitting between 3 candidates, the House may not elect a President by January 20. But I don’t see any realistic scenario where the Senate fails to elect a Vice President from among two candidates by January 20. That Vice President, not the Speaker, will begin acting as President on January 20th.
Screw that.
Winner take all is a funny, if not unconstitutional, law. If Trump takes the popular vote then Kali, NY, etc., all have to give their votes to Trump. Of course, they’re going to run to the courts to stop the very law they demanded to be enacted.
20 years ago when it was between gore and bush that there was problems certifying an election the speaker could step in and there would of been problems with up set voters and politicians but there would of still been a peaceful transfer of power despite everything. today there is such a divide and mistrust that it would get violent and the military would have to step in.
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