Posted on 07/25/2020 7:05:18 PM PDT by Libloather
The teardowns get all the attention, Walter “Donnie” Kennedy grumbles.
Every time a local government votes to remove a century-old Confederate war monument, every time activists swing ropes around statues and yank them to the ground, “our enemies claim victory again,” said Kennedy, the chief of heritage operations for the Sons of Confederate Veterans. “We know America doesn’t agree with us - heck, they fought a war against us - but we’re going to tell our story.”
Their membership might be dwindling, and their popular support seems to shrink by the day, but the guardians of America’s 700-plus Confederate monuments are mounting a serious defense — filing lawsuits and demanding control of statues slated for removal.
They, too, are launching a concerted offensive.
The Sons of Confederate Veterans and, in a quieter way, the United Daughters of the Confederacy, the group that erected many of the monuments that are now the target of the biggest removal campaign in history, are pushing back by building new statues, buying land to house torn-down memorials, and airing radio and online ads seeking public support for their cause.
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SPJNK.
” Diehards “ ?
You bet, Washington Compost.
DEO VINDICE !
“Their membership might be dwindling, and their popular support seems to shrink by the day, but the guardians of America’s 700-plus Confederate monuments are mounting a serious defense — filing lawsuits and demanding control of statues slated for removal.”
I admire their spirit.
Reguardless of the subject, I’m surprised that the statues are not federally protected works of art.
I do too. I hate manstealing type slavery with a passion. But I don’t see these statues as standing for that.
“Did most Southerners fight to defend the institution of slavery?”
It’s been estimated that an average of 27% of the Southern population were slaveholders. That means that 73% were not.
Does it seem reasonable that 7 out of 10 Southern men would line up on a field of battle to take a potential life-ending bullet, so their 3 rich neighbors down the street could own slaves?
Think about it.
statues are a fixture in every city and many parks....
we can't be like the taliban and destroy old artifacts just because we don't like them....
in my dreams I wish some really rich person would establish a private park...a huge one....with trees and gardens and pleasant places to sit and eat lunch...AND have all the discarded statues and monuments, where able, moved there for people to stroll among them....
According to the justly famous British historian ARNOLD TOYNBEE, only about 12% of Americans EVER owned a single slave & the number of slavers in the North & the South in 1860 was about equal.
It is nothing more than a RADICAL REVISIONIST LIE to claim that TWBTS was “all about slavery”, “mostly about slavery” or perhaps that “the flesh trade” was any more than an irritant to a minority of Americans. - In 1860 you could not have found 10,000 people in ALL of the USA who was willing to fight a single minor skirmish to either abolish or preserve chattel slavery, much less fight a major/long/bloody war over “the peculiar institution”.
(It was LONG AFTER Richmond fell that SUDDENLY Northern politicians proclaimed that the war had been “a glorious CRUSADE” against slavery.- During the war no less a person than Lincoln stated repeatedly that “the rebellion” was ONLY about “preserving the union”.)
Not so fun fact: William Lloyd Garrison, the “famous abolitionist” & owner/editor of THE LIBERATOR was himself “a major player” in a company that imported/bought/sold slaves. - When Garrison died on 24APR1879 he was still a major stockholder in that company, which was still “in the flesh trade” in those places that still tolerated slavery.
(HYPOCRITE MUCH??)
Yours, TMN78247
My wife joined the UDC about a year ago. Their membership in her chapter has not diminished.
“Did most Southerners fight to defend the institution of slavery?”
If they took an oath to defend the Constitution of the Confederate States of America, that also meant protecting negro slavery in the Confederate States of America.
“so their 3 rich neighbors down the street could own slaves?”
If their rich neighbors down the street owned 20 or more slaves they were exempt from the Confederate Draft.
I’m SHOCKED, SHOCKED, that RICH PEOPLE manage to get laws passed to advance their positions (at the expense of “the common folk”) & further enrich themselves.
(Just as the police commander in the movie CASBLANCA was “shocked” to discover that gambling was happening at RICK’S AMERICAN CAFE.)
Nonetheless, what was good for the small minority of “plantation aristocrats” was NOT good for the mass of CSA citizens & “non slave-owners”, like the members of our large/extended family, resented the “special laws” for the RICH “big shots”.
As I’ve said elsewhere, as many “aristocrats” collaborated with the Union Army (in return for written promises that they could keep their slaves PERMANENTLY). - Had our Southern ancestors actually won their war for Southern FREEDOM, the “plantation aristocrats” would have had to LEAVE the new Southern Nation(as the Tories did after the AWI) or likely be tried/hanged for their treason.
(The lot of an enemy collaborator after a war is frequently UNPLEASANT.)
Yours, TMN78247
I’m SHOCKED, SHOCKED, that RICH PEOPLE manage to get laws passed to advance their positions (at the expense of “the common folk”) & further enrich themselves.
(Just as the police commander in the movie CASBLANCA was “shocked” to discover that gambling was happening at RICK’S AMERICAN CAFE.)
Nonetheless, what was good for the small minority of “plantation aristocrats” was NOT good for the mass of CSA citizens & “non slave-owners”, like the members of our large/extended family, resented the “special laws” for the RICH “big shots”.
As I’ve said elsewhere, as many “aristocrats” collaborated with the Union Army (in return for written promises that they could keep their slaves PERMANENTLY). - Had our Southern ancestors actually won their war for Southern FREEDOM, the “plantation aristocrats” would have had to LEAVE the new Southern Nation(as the Tories did after the AWI) or likely be tried/hanged for their treason.
(The lot of an enemy collaborator after a war is frequently UNPLEASANT.)
Yours, TMN78247
(in return for written promises that they could keep their slaves PERMANENTLY).
Since you are the first that I have heard this from, can you give me a link or a source for copies of these written promises. I have never seen them before would like to read one.
“As I’ve said elsewhere, as many “aristocrats” collaborated with the Union Army.
Also, could you give names of some of those “aristocrats” that collaborated with the Union Army. Would be interested to know who some of them were.
Inasmuch as I’m NOT in the Carolinas right now, I cannot do so. = SOME of those “written promises” are in the archives of NC A&T State University in Greensboro, NC.
Additionally, Dillard University of New Orleans, LA & Jarvis Christian College in Hawkins, TX also has originals of other such “promise” documents.
(I don’t think that you will be shocked to find out that RARE/ORIGINAL/FRAGILE WBTS documents are NOT usually available to the general public, W/O going to the institution & getting permission to actually examine the documents.- As I was once a grad student in history from Tulane University & as I was working on my dissertation research, I was given access to numerous items that were NOT on public display.)
BTW, some of the MOST VALUABLE & LEAST APPRECIATED people to the preservation of US History in the USA are the “research librarians” at college libraries. = MOST such research librarians get paid little & do what they do for the love of history & (thankfully) “jealously guard” the records/relics in their care.
(When I was a grad student, I was HELPED a great deal by librarians at about a dozen colleges/universities in AR, MS, NC, SC & TN, who did NOT have to help me in my research but chose to do so.)
Yours, TMN78247
It’s been estimated that an average of 27% of the Southern population were slaveholders. That means that 73% were not.
Per the 1860 Census Report, that estimate is a bit high.
RECAPITULATION of the Tables of POPULATION, NATIVITY, AND OCCUPATION
| STATE | TOTAL POPULATION | # SLAVEHOLDERS | % SLAVEHOLDERS |
|---|---|---|---|
| AL | 964,201 | 33,730 | 3.50% |
| AR | 435,450 | 11,481 | 2.64% |
| FL | 140,424 | 5,152 | 3.67% |
| GA | 1,057,286 | 41,084 | 3.89% |
| LA | 708,002 | 22,003 | 3.11% |
| MS | 791,305 | 30,943 | 3.91% |
| NC | 992,622 | 34,658 | 3.49% |
| SC | 703,708 | 26,701 | 3.79% |
| TN | 1,109,801 | 36,844 | 3.32% |
| TX | 604,215 | 21,878 | 3.62% |
| VA | 1,596,318 | 52,128 | 3.27% |
| TOTAL: | 9,103,332 | 316,602 | 3.31% |
| STATE | TOTAL POPULATION | # SLAVEHOLDERS | % SLAVEHOLDERS |
|---|---|---|---|
| DE | 112,216 | 587 | 0.52% |
| KY | 1,155,684 | 38,645 | 3.34% |
| MD | 687,049 | 13,783 | 2.01% |
| MO | 1,182,012 | 24,320 | 2.06% |
| TOTAL: | 3,136,961 | 77,335 | 2.47% |
| STATE | TOTAL POPULATION | # SLAVEHOLDERS | % SLAVEHOLDERS |
|---|---|---|---|
| KS | 1,075,684 | 2 | 0.00% |
| NE | 28,841 | 6 | 0.02% |
| TOTAL: | 1,104,525 | 8 | 0.00% |
Thanks
OK. W/O looking at my “field notes” (which are in the library of my adopted family’s home in Spartanburg County, SC) I can tell you the names of 4 such notorious “enemy collaborators”, who were “identified” by the Provost Guard of the PACSA (FYI, the nearest thing to a “national investigative agency” that the CSA had were the “spy-hunters”/”scent hounds” of the Provosts of HQ, PACSA & their agents, who were “embedded with” CSA combat units & assigned to local/state militias.):
Charles Henderson Hill of Greensboro, NC.; Robert (NMI) Watkins of Boston, TX; Emory S. Bain of Hawkins, TX & Butler B. Simms of Wilmington, NC.
(After TWBTS, the two Texas residents “saw the writing on the wall” & FLED Texas for a Northern state. - Likely a WISE move, on their part.)
Yours, TMN78247
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