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WHAT ARE THE REAL NUMBERS?
Self | July 7, 2020 | MrChips

Posted on 07/07/2020 6:59:57 AM PDT by MrChips

Does anyone have any real information on what the real numbers are for COVID-19 cases and deaths?

On the one hand, I have read that the number of cases is inflated by “probable“ cases. For example, you become infected and your wife and three children are suddenly considered “probable” and thrown into the count. Is that true?

On the other hand, I have also read that the number of deaths is exaggerated because many, although infected, die of other causes and yet are counted in the total Is that true?

Please chime in. Thanks.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: covid19
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To: little jeremiah

I haven’t found a case where they didn’t have to have symptoms. If you have a link to a state health department with that info, you should post it on a separate thread, no one has reported that as far as I know.


61 posted on 07/07/2020 3:35:11 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

There is no info anywhere that I’ve seen that says anything about positive cases having to have symptoms. Positive means:

Positive test results
Probable case
Symptoms but not positive
Positive antibody test

For death it means
Tested positive and died of CV
Tested positive and died of something else
Died of something and let’s call it CV

Plus tests are very sketchy regarding accuracy.


62 posted on 07/07/2020 3:55:51 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: gleeaikin

On the Q threads charts like that have been posted. Death rates are no higher this year. In fact death rates for children are lower. WHy? probably because not getting vaxxed.

I can try to find who posts them and bring them here.


63 posted on 07/07/2020 3:57:32 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: David Chase

Factual info about covid is mixed with non-fact. And that is a fact.


64 posted on 07/07/2020 3:58:59 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: khelus

Seriously......how often does that happen?

I was an inner city medic (Detroit EMS) never had an incident of that nature but always prepared for it.......


65 posted on 07/07/2020 4:21:33 PM PDT by David Chase
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To: little jeremiah

Ok. Prove it.

A post from a heating and cooling tech doesn’t cut it by the way.


66 posted on 07/07/2020 4:24:46 PM PDT by David Chase
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To: MrChips
Democrat governors have painted themselves into a corner by using lockdowns to try to hurt Trump. There is no allowable result for them now other than a total pandemic disaster. If they are ever forced to concede that COVID-19 is on the wane, the backlash against them for destroying their economies will cost them not only their offices but possibly even their lives - at the hands of vengeful relatives whose loved ones were denied medical care due to the excessive lockdowns.

They are all in with this, now - they kill the Trump Administration and bring about a collectivist police state to protect themselves from the public...or they die.

67 posted on 07/07/2020 4:32:06 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: little jeremiah

It was reported on the radio on the Texas Health Department guidelines.


68 posted on 07/07/2020 6:58:25 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

That all cases have symptoms? Just in TX? Everywhere?
In months of covid watching that is the first time I have ever heard of that.


69 posted on 07/07/2020 7:06:53 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply oSo ne of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: little jeremiah

Info on Probable Cases Vs. Presumptive Cases Vs. Presumptive Positive Cases Vs. Positive Cases

It is a dizzying array of data, everyone is getting lost. Supposedly the details of which is defined on every states Health Website somewhere, the Probable Cases Definition was the one that just popped up on everyone’s radar screen in the last week.

Texas Health Website - details buried in here somewhere:
https://hhs.texas.gov/

Link to a breakdown, might have more info where to find the source material
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/researcher-shares-how-to-understand-texass-new-covid-19-statistic/287-bc845764-c993-4b36-8216-26335ecec457


70 posted on 07/07/2020 7:11:29 PM PDT by dila813
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To: little jeremiah

See my last post, I think it will help


71 posted on 07/07/2020 7:12:01 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

I don’t have time to delve into how TX determines positive cases. Mainly I try to see what the CDC is up to. My state gives practically no info about this matter.


72 posted on 07/07/2020 7:18:02 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply oSo ne of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: gleeaikin

If you don’t want to worry about this virus or most other influenza viruses there is always BHT.neither does it matter how many times it mutates as long as it is a LIPID COATED VIRUS , BHT will attack the lipid coating and by doing so deactivate the virus.

If you don’t want to worry about infectious LIPID COATED viruses, such as the corona virus, swine flu, herpes etc…..there is always one of the best kept secrets,BHT (butylatedhydroxytouluene) which disables most lipid coated viruses including the corona virus, influenza, shingles and herpes amongst many others.

Suggested starting dosage is anywhere from 250mg to 450mg can be doubled for several days, but suggested to remain in the 500mg range or below. For better absorption it is recommended to dissolve BHT first in oil, olive oil will do nicely and to speed up dissolving a few seconds in a microwave or set the container with the oil solution in a hot water bath. Why dissolving in oil first? BHT will only dissolve in either oil or alcohol and by going this route it will speed up absorption and you get by using smaller amounts of it.

One suggested way is to take 200ml (milliliter) of olive oil and dissolve 18 gm of BHT, or 277.782 grains if you using a powder scale used for re-loading. Each tsp. depending on its size should give you approx. 450 mg of BHT. It is better to be pro-active by taking BHT, even so BHT will still kill the virus but it cannot cure any of the other problems which the virus may have created. I hope they come up with a vaccine, but would not hold my breath.

I have been taking it off and on for over thirty years whenever the flu virus made its rounds, including right now and so far I have avoided getting the “Bug”

What is interesting to know is that quite a few years ago a company took out a patent on BHT for its LIPID COATED VIRUS killing abilities what should tell you something. In the meantime this patent has expired and no longer can any money be made from it, so pharmaceutical companies won’t even go near it, besides this product is inexpensive. Another item of interest is a short movie clip which I encourage anyone to watch is

BHT and Coronavirus | LIFE EXTENSION BOOK RESEARCH ...www.youtube.com
The person in this movie clip pretty much voices my opinion.


73 posted on 07/07/2020 7:50:48 PM PDT by saintgermaine (THE TIME TRAVELLER)
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To: little jeremiah

Good luck, these bureaucrats live to be as opaque as possible to outsiders.

That’s why I gave you the other link, they have to make it clear to providers as they have to comply with their dictates. Most of the time the people getting these dictates can more clearly break it down for you.


74 posted on 07/07/2020 7:52:53 PM PDT by dila813
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To: gleeaikin

If you don’t want to worry about this virus or most other influenza viruses there is always BHT.neither does it matter how many times it mutates as long as it is a LIPID COATED VIRUS , BHT will attack the lipid coating and by doing so deactivate the virus.

If you don’t want to worry about infectious LIPID COATED viruses, such as the corona virus, swine flu, herpes etc…..there is always BHT, one of the best kept secrets…..
BHT (butylatedhydroxytouluene) which disables most lipid coated viruses including the corona virus, influenza, shingles and herpes amongst many others.

Suggested starting dosage is anywhere from 250mg to 450mg can be doubled for several days, but suggested to remain in the 500mg range or below. For better absorption it is recommended to dissolve BHT first in oil, olive oil will do nicely and to speed up dissolving a few seconds in a microwave or set the container with the oil solution in a hot water bath. Why dissolving in oil first? BHT will only dissolve in either oil or alcohol and by going this route it will speed up absorption and you get by using smaller amounts of it.

One suggested way is to take 200ml (milliliter) of olive oil and dissolve 18 gm of BHT, or 277.782 grains if you using a powder scale used for re-loading. Each tsp. depending on its size should give you approx. 450 mg of BHT. It is better to be pro-active by taking BHT, even so BHT will still kill the virus but it cannot cure any of the other problems which the virus may have created. I hope they come up with a vaccine, but would not hold my breath.

I have been taking it off and on for over thirty years whenever the flu virus made its rounds, including right now and so far I have avoided getting the “Bug”

What is interesting to know is that quite a few years ago a company took out a patent on BHT for its LIPID COATED VIRUS killing abilities what should tell you something. In the meantime this patent has expired and no longer can any money be made from it, so pharmaceutical companies won’t even go near it, besides this product is inexpensive. Another item of interest is a short movie clip which I encourage anyone to watch is

BHT and Coronavirus | LIFE EXTENSION BOOK RESEARCH ...www.youtube.com
The person in this movie clip pretty much voices my opinion.


75 posted on 07/07/2020 7:54:43 PM PDT by saintgermaine (THE TIME TRAVELLER)
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To: little jeremiah; All

Not going to school, children are probably having less exposure to assorted diseases and accidents.


76 posted on 07/07/2020 9:20:43 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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