When Victimhood Leads to Genocide

one of the things that Maya and I found when we were writing this paper we were looking at the discourse that precedes genocide in genocide all states and the enhancement of a sense of victimization on the part of one of the groups usually the group that's going to commit the genocide first of all their sense as their sense of being victims is much heightened by the demagogues who are trying to stir up this sort of hatred so they basically say look you've been oppressed in a variety of ways and these are the people who did it and they're not going to stop doing it and this time we're going to get them before they get us it's something like that and so there's something very pathological about the enhancement of victimization which is well see that the problem as far as Ike I'm concerned with it is it's not it's not thought through very well because there's there's a point that's being made and the point is that people have been oppressed and they suffer and that's true that point but that's but then the proper framework from within which to interpret that I believe is that that's characteristic of life you can't take it personally in some sense and you can't divide the world neatly into perpetrators and victims and you certainly can't divide that world neatly into perpetrators and victims and then assume that you're only in the victim class and then assume that that gives you certain like access to certain forms of redress let's say it gets dangerous very rapidly if you do that sort of thing so for example one of the things that characterized the Soviet Union and this was particularly true in the 1920s but but afterwards so the Soviets were very much enamored of the idea of class guilt so for example although it was only about 40 years previously that the serfs had been emancipated they weren't much more than slaves right and so that was the bulk of the Russian population they were bought and sold along with the land so they had been emancipated and some of them many of them had turned in independent farmers and some of them have become reasonably prosperous because at least in principle I presume a certain proportion of them from being crooked but I presume a larger proportion from actually being able to raise food and of course at that time the bulk of the Russian food population was produced by these relatively successful peasant farmers and relatively successful would mean maybe they had a brick house or something and maybe they had a couple of cows and maybe they were able to hire a few people and so you know it wasn't like they were massive landowners or anything but I talk to you a little bit about the Pareto principle and the notion that in any domain of activity a small proportion of people end up producing most of what's in that domain of activity the same was true in Russia with regards to these peasant farmers some of them were extraordinarily efficient and they produced most of Russia's food when the Communists came in they described those those land holders as parasites essentially predicated on the marxist idea that if someone had extracted profit from an enterprise that they had basically stolen that profit from from from the people say that they had employed or otherwise oppressed and so you could be a member of the kulak kul AC a k ke ola k you could be a member of the cool AK class and then because you were a member of that class you were automatically guilty and so what happened was and you got to think this through to really understand what happened so what happened was the intellectual communists were sent out in cadres out into these little towns to find people it would help them round up the kulaks now you got to think about what a small town is like because so imagine you're in a town and there's three or four people or maybe ten people or something like that who are a little more successful than everyone else and a certain number of people are going to be fine with that and maybe even happy about it because they regard those people as particularly productive and you know as stalwart members of the community regardless of their flaws but there's going to be some people who are not happy about it at all that are going to be very resentful about doubted jealous and so those are going to be people whose characters I would say are of the last positive type and so when the intellectuals came in and described the reason that these people should be treated as parasites and profiteers then it was the resentful minority in those towns and that would be the kind of guy that hangs around in the bar all the time and is completely on conscientious and fails at everything and then blames everyone else for it the intellectuals came in and said here's this is unfair that this happened to you you've actually been victimized and now it's your opportunity to go have your revenge and so that's exactly what happened now in some of the villages some of sometimes the peasants would actually surround that the the farmsteads of these more successful people and try to defend them but that never worked out for very long and so then these mobs leave angry mobs would go into the farm houses that stripped the place right down to nothing and they packed these people up and sent them on trains with no food out to Siberia where there was no place to live and so that they were packed into houses you know maybe they had a square meter each to live in and all the children died of typhoid and and many of them froze to death many many people died millions of people died as a consequence of the dekulakization at least in in as a consequence of its total effect so what happened then was that there wasn't any food produced and so then six million Ukrainians starved to death in the 1920s which is something you never hear about right you never hear about that why do you never hear about that that's a question worth asking you know it was an absolute catastrophe they used to so these people were starving right to the point of cannibalism right I mean it was ugly as ugly as anything you could possibly imagine if you were a mother and and so you're supposed to handle your grain into the Central Committee mostly for distribution into the cities you didn't get to keep any for yourself and so maybe then afterwards if you were a mother you'd go out in the fields that had already been harvested and you pick up individual grains of wheat and if you didn't turn those in they that was death for you so that's how far it was pushed so well so that's a little story about how victimization how the idea of victimization and perpetration can get out of hand extraordinarily rapidly and so whenever people are beating the victim drum you know they'll cover that up with with empathy roughly speaking we're speaking on behalf of the oppressed it's like maybe you are but maybe you're no saint because you know you're so sure that you're a saint and you're only speaking from a position of good it's highly unlikely

2 posted on 07/03/2020 11:58:42 AM PDT by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they want to die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)

it did say it was an audio generated transcript so I guess you can’t expect that it has things like punctuation i mean the technology is pretty good but it isn’t perfect sort of like it was typed by a cockroach who couldnt use the shift key i’m referring to archy of archy and mehitable a column from a newspaper about a hundred years ago we’ve come a long way since then but in what direction is what i’m wondering

But it was audio-generated! Meaning: It was impossible for the person posting this to "clean it up," add paragraphing, etc.

Simply impossible, I say!

Regards,

Yeah.

And spending 30 secs making a post readable is so 2010...

6 posted on 07/03/2020 12:19:00 PM PDT by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they want to die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeYRK16PIlA

As usual Peterson makes a lot of sense, backs his stuff up...

On a daily basis Progressives and our American Pravda (media) beat the victim drum against white people on behalf of resentful, envious, perpetual victims, particularly blacks, LGBTQ+, and now certain native Americans. BLM is a black LGBTQ+ organization that on its website describes itself as Marxist trained.

Already threats of hanging whites and guillotining them have been made. We can already see how the beating of the drum accompanied by nonstop stirring up of hatred has produced explosive mobs.

It will lead to bloodshed unless the drumbeats are stopped.

This is someone I would love to hear and see in real life.

IMHO- The guy loves to talk and teach (convey his ideas) and is able to convey his ideas (very articulate), he’s extremely smart, and he’s incredibly well informed, so when he opens his yap there is a lot of insightful ideas coming out.

Peterson is to the social sciences like Milton Freedman was to economics. I think you can just sit and watch a bunch of his videos and know more about a subject than if you took some high cost college classes and bought a $100 textbook that just regurgitates every well known idea.

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