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The refs in the Rand report were specific to the times I did these missions. 18 total air support missions in Cal/AZ/NM/NV/TX. Supported Recon Companies from 1st and 2nd MARDIV, 1st Force, Army units from Hawaii/NC. 82nd Airborne for a month in El Paso with a Battalion in the field. The controlling/coordinating Command was JTF-6 in El Paso, commanded by an Army General @ the time. I also did 3 years as Intel support to LE where the LE had access to OH-58 Kiowa Warriors and we worked directly with them. Same ROE, to do otherwise is to break Federal Law. Neither the JTF JAG who I work with directly nor the otherwise useless JAG that the 82nd brought would have agreed with the Rand study re: surveillance.

The Rand study addressed 'Military Support missions to LEA ', not Military LE missions. Nothing has changed since in the last 20 years in that regard. There are no Title 10 forces (AD or Federalized NG) units doing law enforcement duties (arrests/searches of vehicles or homes/detention etc) in the counter drug 'war'. While the difference may seem only semantics, the semantics will get you and your CO a GCM if you violate the guidelines.

JTF-6

BTW, Rand doesn't go to the field, they review docs/programs etc for DoD and other gov't agencies when the said agencies doesn't have the stones to make a decision so they hire a outside consulting contractor to 'recommend' any changes. Robert McNamara was a fan of them.

1,154 posted on 06/26/2020 6:40:18 AM PDT by xone
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To: xone
There are no Title 10 forces (AD or Federalized NG) units doing law enforcement duties (arrests/searches of vehicles or homes/detention etc) in the counter drug 'war'

Specifying: In CONUS.

1,159 posted on 06/26/2020 6:50:05 AM PDT by xone
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BTW, Rand doesn’t go to the field, they review docs/programs etc for DoD and other gov’t agencies when the said agencies doesn’t have the stones to make a decision so they hire a outside consulting contractor to ‘recommend’ any changes. Robert McNamara was a fan of them.
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LOL. Well I understood that much. As I said, I just posted the summary directly from the Rand Pdf linked by Q. As far as the details of the rest of what you wrote, I do not have the background to understand it all.

Thanks for the post, I’m sure that it clarified matters for a lot of other people. All I got out of it was there’s no way to do anything other than Riot Act. BUMMER!


1,389 posted on 06/26/2020 4:40:18 PM PDT by greeneyes ( Moderation In Pursuit of Justice is NO Virtue--LET FREEDOM RING)
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