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To: Telepathic Intruder

I think it’s kind of a copout, to expect that we’re ‘saved by Christ’.

I’ve never been a fan of the notion of ‘vicarious atonement’ - I think it’s too easy, and lazy (and I am aware that this, also, will probably offend many here.)

It doesn’t take just ‘repentance’, to get your life in order. Sometimes, that just makes you feel like you’ve ‘paid your dues’, and now you’re OK.

It requires inner WORK, to really change ourselves and the circumstances of our lives.

Jesus - and just saying ‘I Believe’ - can never do that. You’re just floating on a cloud, then. There’s a certain substance that is missing there, and that’s probably why the churches are failing, and people are leaving them.

We have to change the way that we THINK and believe- and that requires far more than just mouthing the acknowledgement that we may have ‘done wrong’ here and there, and ‘accepting Christ as our Savior’. That apology and declaration doesn’t show you any way OUT - and laying it all on Jesus is just another copout.

I don’t believe that very many of us are really ‘sinners’. I think most of us are just stuck in *situations*; and just as our educational system has failed us in recent decades, our religions have become moribund and are no longer giving us the inspiration that we need for the times and situations within which we are living.

(Putting on my ‘flame suit’ now...)


65 posted on 06/22/2020 11:17:18 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Jamestown1630
Putting on my ‘flame suit’ now...

No need, that’s just what the Bible says. “For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”. Everyone likes to think of themselves as basically good, but that is only a false comfort to ourselves. Open the newspaper or watch the news for an example of our basic goodness. Crime, wars, genocides, all being committed be people who think of themselves as basically good. We don’t have the power or authority to save ourselves, or there would be no need for a Christ.
66 posted on 06/23/2020 1:39:00 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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