Contact Tracing: Mandatory laws to "re-house", quarantine, vaccinate, accept tracking phone applications vary by state, but it's all worse than it sounds.

YOUTUBE.com ^ | May 27, 2020 | Vanity, based on Video by Vladislav Sobolev

[Grandpa Drudge]

Thanks, ransomnote, for starting this thread.

In my opinion, allowing this program to continue will amount to rapid and complete destruction of whatever liberty we have left.

If you are concerned that an arrogant governor or mayor could so easily violate your liberty, what about giving that authority to 300,000 contact tracer administrators (enforcers)?

That IS the current CDC strategy, and they already have fundamental contracts in place.

This MUST be stopped.

But that is going to be very difficult

Just for starters, here are some arguments from Alan Dershowitz and Bill Gates

Dershowitz forced vaccine https://www.newsmax.com/us/coronavirus-vaccines-alan-dershowitz/2020/05/19/id/967964/

https://www.foxnews.com/media/alan-dershowitz-forced-coronavirus-vaccinations-are-constitutional

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/05/19/watch-alan-dershowitz-makes-the-case-for-government-mandated-coronavirus-vaccine-n2569134

https://spectator.org/will-we-all-be-forced-to-get-covid-vaccines/

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/bill-gates-what-you-need-to-know-about-a-coronavirus-vaccine.html

https://www.gatesnotes.com/Health/What-you-need-to-know-about-the-COVID-19-vaccine?WT.tsrc=BGEM

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/TheOptimist/Articles/coronavirus-mark-suzman-funding-announcement-2

Dershowitz said that if a Wuhan coronavirus vaccine was developed tomorrow, not only would he get it but so would his entire family, assuming they “felt” the vaccine was “safe.”

Some people reject vaccines for religious reasons. Others don’t trust Big Pharma. And then there are those who have had allergic reactions to various vaccines. Not everything is as cut and dry as Dershowitz makes it out to be. It’s scary to think that we could be forced to do something against our will. What he’s saying confirms some of the suspicion conservatives have had over the years (you know, when they tell us we’re wearing our tinfoil hats).

I would respond: The government has NO RIGHT to endanger me.

[A strike]

k,
so there’s that.

[ransomnote]

A lawyer speaks about winning vaccine cases based on the scientific evidence that they are not safe. He does specify not all are unsafe, but that the vaccine industry is protected from testing that is required of drug manufacturers. He's a liberal, so his elite liberal friends carefully criticized him for what he's published and said in talks; they start their criticisms with, "We love Robert Kennedy, but unfortunately, he's wrong...."

YOUTUBE VIDEO "This Will Affect Everyone" - Robert Kennedy Jr. (10 minute video)

May 14, 2020

ransomnote's comments about the video (transcript below) Re VACCINES and reported death rates from flu. Transcript is autogenerated and contains errors that made me check the audio of the video to understand the text, so I made a partial pass through the text trying to improve readability (errors remain). The speaker has a rough voice that doesn't transcribe well, but he is getting the word out about vaccines, (e.g., not safety tested partly due to CDC originally being military, still have military rank, avoided calling it a "medicine" and called it a "biologic" and biologics are exempt from safety testing etc.) Also, vaccine manufacturers are often exempt from legal repercussions.

The part that most intrigued me was his comments about the death rates from flu. In my opinion, they make sense and that means the CDC and other agencies says 95K died of the flu 2 years ago but in fact, almost all of that number were pneumonia which the CDC counts as flu (combines the two numbers). They use the pneumonia numbers to over count the flu, and use that number push the flu vaccine/

Text posted beneath the video asserts it is banned in many countries. I don't know if that's true but I'll put the transcript below in case the video is removed.

 

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You all are gonna stay in the house

until we have a vaccine. It's not gonna

be safe to come out, and that is a

tremendous power to tell people they

have to wait and do that until you get

a vaccine out.

You know what I think there is

a struggle between two different ways to

handle this quarantine and nobody

everybody saying listen to the

scientists, but there's a flaw there

which is the scientists can tell you,

maybe can model. It can model how many

people are gonna die from coronavirus

using different scenarios. You know, if

you all go back to work tomorrow

here's how many people die if we all

stay locked up for six months, here's how

many people and they can do that

probably pretty well.

 

Number one

isolation kills lots of people, kills

people through a depression and it kills

people through mistakes and kills people

from not getting, you know routine medical

care it kills people a lot of different

ways, But also it, unemployment kills

people so there's a really good 1982 book on

this that is considered authoritative and

 

that book did all of the modeling on, you

know. on historical unemployment rates

and this was a long time ago, so our

population is

 

What they have found is

that for every point in unemployment, if

there's thirty seven thousand people

died, nine thousand people die from heart

attacks and 900 people die from

suicides, all these different reasons

that they died, and then three thousand

(thirty three hundred) people go to

prison, every one point [edited to add: in unemployment statistic]

an extra four

thousand people end up in mental institutions.

And instead CNN reports every year at the

flu deaths in this country were between

60,000 and 90,000 and they'll say it's

worse than ever.

It could be 95 thousand deaths this year from flu.

"Take your flu shot," but if you go

around and ask people,  "Do you actually

know anybody who's ever died of a flu?"

most people tell you, "No." You know ,if ninety

five thousand people were dying every

year, we'd all know people who died of

the flu.

The truth is at the year they

said 95 thousand, which was two years ago,

there were two thousand people who died of the flu.

The

average death rate for the flu over the

past 20 years, around thousand people a

year and what they do is they conflate

the mortality morbidity data for

pneumonia with the flu, and only 7

percent of pneumonia cases are actually

caused by the flu of pneumonia deaths

rest of them are non flu or respiratory

infections. So CNN just lies about that

every year and I don't think Sanjay

Gupta , Anderson Cooper actually want to lie but

it's part of their gestalt, if

 

they're you know, they're supposed to

push the flu vaccine, there's supposed to scare

the hell out of everbody, and make everybody think they're

gonna die if they dont' get it [edit: the vaccine].

They do that, and the fact

is that the flu does not kill that

many people in this country, it's not a

dangerous disease, it and the flu vaccine

it costs a lot more harm than the flu does.

The

third leading cause of death in this

country is pharmaceutical drugs.

They're not making us healthier. We have

the most aggressive vaccine schedule in

the world in this country and we have

the worst health in our children and

adults. We have worst infant mortality.

We have, if you look at any of the

metrics, the US I think is 72 in

infant mortality in the world, we're

around Syria and Costa Rica. When I was a

kid, we were number one on all of those.

We were

the best,  the healthiest people in the

world, the best healthcare system. Today,

We get, you know, we're paying the most

money for the worst outcomes. A lot of

that is because pharmaceutical

advertisements, not only do they

advertise on TV, but they control content.

 

And my family, I worked for hundreds of

hours when I was in high school at

a home for the

retarded, because it was a

central preoccupation of my family,

children particularly with intellectual

disabilities. It's not, I had a lot of

exposure to it, but it's not where I wanted

to spend my life, of empathy

I really was committed to spending my

life trying to clean up rivers and clean

energy and pose issues. One of these

women came to my home in the

summer of 2004 with a big pile of of

scientific studies, about an 18 inches

thick, and she put it on my front porch.

She was a psychologist from Minnesota

and named Sarah Bridges (sp?)..... she had a child

who got autism from vaccines, and had

actually got the twenty million dollar

award from the vaccine Court which

recognized autism that comes in vaccines.

She brought that, she didn't want it to

happen to any other kids.

She bought me this big pot of scientific

studies and she said, "I'm not leaving

here until you read these." Now I'm very

accustomed to reading science; I brought

over 500 successful lawsuits in my career,

almost all of them involve some kind of

scientific controversy. So I actually

started, I'm not gonna say I read all the

studies cover to cover, but I read the

abstracts for all of them which is the summary of

the study. Before I was six

 

inches into that pile,

I was already dumbstruck, the

huge Delta between what the actual

published peer-reviewed science was

saying, and what the public health

regulators were telling the public and

doctors everybody else about the safety of vaccines,

I realized that there was a real problem,

and that the  vaccines in our country,

unlike other medicines, are never

 

safety tested. People find that

astonishing. The reason for that is an

artifact of the CDC's legacy as the

Public Health Service. That was the

predecessor organization to CDC.

The Public Health Service was a

quasi-military agency, which is why

people at CDC still have military ranks

like "Surgen General" etc. And the vaccine program

was initially launched as a national

security defense against a biological

attack on our country, so regulators and

the Pentagon wanted to make sure

that if the Russians attacked us the

anthrax or some other biological agent they could

quickly fabricate and deploy a vaccine

to 200 million people without regulatory

impediments. And so they said if we call

it a medicine we're going to have to

safety tested and that usually takes two

to five years; let's call it something

else. We'll call it biologic and then we

will exempt biologics from having to do

safety testing.

So the industry, the four

companies that make all seventy-two

vaccines that are currently mandated for

our children, got another gift

that has contributed to the lack of

safety assessments and lack of safety

concerns with vaccines, and that is, in 1986

there was a vaccine, I got three vaccines

when I was a kid,  by '86 it was about

eleven of them, and one of them was called

Diptheria, Tetanus and Pertussis or the

 

DTP vaccine and it was killing lots and

lots of children, and it was causing

brain damage in a tremendous number of children,

and the industry was getting sued. .....company called Pfizer went to

Congress and said, "We are getting out of the

vaccine industry because well we're

paying $20 in damages every $1 we make

from this vaccine, and you cannot make a

vaccine safely. You cannot; it is

impossible to make a vaccine that's

completely safe. You are going to injure a

certain amount of people, and the injury

is going to be grievous enough that

nobody will ever make any money on

vaccines, because they're gonna have to pay

for injuries and we can't make them

better and we're going to get out of the

industry altogether and stop making vaccines

vaccines unless you give us complete

blanket immunity from liability."

So Congress, the Democratic Congress,

Republican President Reagan - all of them

taking lots of money from these

pharmaceutical companies that are the number

one contributor,  passed along in 1986 the

vaccine Act or VICA which was blanket

immunity,  so no matter how grievous your

injury, or your child's injury, no matter

how toxic the ingredient, no matter how

sloppy the line protocols, no matter how

negligent that company, you cannot sue

them for redress, so there's no discovery,

there's no depositions there's no

medical malpractice, there's no class

actions, zero consequence if they kill

you or if they injure you for life.

 

[ransomnote's comment: I've seen a meme that says"We all have to get vaccine X for some disease because 1% of the population might die from it. But the vaccine kills 1% of the people who take it......" Just making the point that treatments and vaccines have risks that should be, but are not, weighed against the potential harm the disease can cause.]

[sauropod]

Bkmk

[abbastanza]

It may have been said, but I’ll say again. The latest iphone update has a tracker. Once it’s on your phone you can’t delete the app. I suspect that future updates won’t work unless you have the tracker app.

[july4thfreedomfoundation]

I’m glad I still have a flip phone.

If anyone tries to give me a so-called vaccine I don’t want, I will throw punches at them.

[Grandpa Drudge]

Your warning “know that laws are already on the books” is key to the solution to this disaster.

If you agree that “Laws” are enacted by elected representatives of the people, then people are rightfully required to be governed by and follow those laws.

The real issue here is that the “Contact Tracing Mandatory laws” are actually “regulations” and were NOT enacted by elected representatives at all.

Unfortunately, they are instead “regulations with the force of law” implemented by the powerful Deep State Bureaucracy that is HHS, NIH/NIAID, CDC and FDA.

This huge bureaucracy is almost entirely controlled by massive financial and political influences in the medical, pharmaceutical, and food industries.

And, as politicians often do, they have deliberately turned a relatively severe epidemic (Covid-19) into a massive FEAR DRIVEN PANDEMIC, and in the process practically destroyed our economy, in order to justify public support for massively increasing their power and authority even more.

We must expose this process for what it is, and generate enough public awareness and support to regain control by the people over this bureaucracy.

[old curmudgeon]

If you think “stay at home” was bad for the economy, try to calculate what this would do to the economy.

Using the chain formula where a person suspected of the wu-flu gets on a train or goes to a group gathering of any kind....ball game maybe....this insane scheme would shut down just about every industry in the country.

Because in the examples above, only the damage done to one person or by one person is discussed. Reality is that a trip to WalMart by an infected person would result in many being locked up. Say 50 people. So each of them contact 10 on the way home and each of them contact 5 or more on the way home...now each of those .....

Get the picture?

This would shut down the entire country almost overnight.

Any politician who voted for or votes for this is a moron who should be locked up for his own safety.

Yesterday I woke up in America. This morning I woke up in a country that I do not understand. The America I knew was gone.

[ridesthemiles]

You would be surprised how many people do NOT have cell phones.

[ridesthemiles]

Re: Workmen’s Comp-—

ALL calculations for premiums for Workmen’s Comp are based upon the GROSS payroll.

Since companies re shut down——what payroll would they be using to do those calculations???

[ransomnote]

You would be surprised how many people do NOT have cell phones.

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Perhaps. But you wouldn’t be allowed to go to work, to school, to stores etc. unless you had one. The government still has Obamaphones, I suppose they would issue you one.
They have a “Resistance is Futile” mindset. They are wrong.

[Karliner]

0x0=0. State Comp is cooked I think.

[EasySt]

Here you go, Ransomnote... ;-)

[Grandpa Drudge]

It might be a lot worse than 1%...

Moderna reports positive data on early-stage coronavirus vaccine trial, shares surge

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/18/moderna-reports-positive-data-on-early-stage-coronavirus-vaccine-trial.html

Earlier this month, Moderna announced that it was wrapping up phase one human trials on its potential vaccine with the U.S. government and is moving to start phase two trials that would include 600 participants. If the vaccine is found to be effective and safe to use, it could be ready for the market in early 2021, the company said.

The company said the vaccine was generally safe and well tolerated. To date, the most notable adverse events were seen in the 250-dose group where three participants developed “grade 3 systemic symptoms,” following the second dose, the company said.

The company said it expects to begin a phase 3 trial in July.

You saw the caution of risk in this glowing press release, didn’t you? No? I didn’t either, unless you consider the note “three participants developed “grade 3 systemic symptoms,” a caution.

Here is the detail for one of those “grade 3 systemic symptoms:

He experienced a severe reaction to Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccine candidate. He’s still a believer

https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/26/moderna-vaccine-candidate-trial-participant-severe-reaction/

“Twelve hours after receiving his second dose, he developed a fever of more than 103 degrees, sought medical attention, and, after being released from an urgent care facility, fainted in his home. He recovered within a day.”

I don’t know what the other two “grade 3 systemic symptoms” were, so they MIGHT NOT have been as serious as that, so let’s just pretend this is the only bad one in all 45 participants.

After all that’s only 2.2% rate of bad results to good results.

So that’s 97.8% good, right? So it’s OK to make it mandatory, right? After all, if you use it on 300,000,000 people that’s only 6,600,000 bad results, right? After all, the Covid-19 virus has already killed 100,000 people in the USA, so making only 66 people sick to save one of those lives is a good trade, right? (extreme sarcasm)

And by the way, this is an mRNA vaccine, easy to develop and manufacture, and scientists have been working on them for years, however, none have ever yet succeeded and been approved for use on Humans.

[WildHighlander57]

Ransomnote,

If people treated their cellphones like landlines, then the tracking contact tracing apps are useless.

Leave em home.

Nobody can force someone to carry their phone with them at all waking hours of the day.

[WildHighlander57]

Not everyone has a cell phone.

[WildHighlander57]

They want a revolution, they’re gonna get it.

Tech can be hacked.

[pigsmith]

I can see this whole thing going very badly very quickly when 'they' start demanding entrance to private homes in order to enforce this crap, and behind the door they force open will be something much worse than the Wu-Flu.

I truly, with a white-hot burning passion, hate these phones already, and now they practically want it stapled to my forehead. Gosh, it would be too bad to accidently drop it under my front tire as I drive off...

[Antoninus]

We must expose this process for what it is, and generate enough public awareness and support to regain control by the people over this bureaucracy.

We'll see over the next few months if the bureaucracy is too big to control via the normal means.