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Happy Mother’s Day!
There are a few Fearpers who post here still arguing that this is more than the flu. I imagine debates with those Fearpers will still occur. The question is though do any Fearpers still actually support the ongoing lockdown. Although normally we say that this is a place for Flubros and Flubras, for today, let’s see if there are any Fearbros who still think keeping the lockdown restrictions is a good idea. It seems as though most Freepers now oppose the lockdown.
But let’s get these questions answered:
1. Do you support the ongoing lockdown?
2. Do you think lockdown measures are not strict enough?
3. Do you think law enforcement should strictly enforce these lockdown rules?
4. Do you think the lockdown is constitutional?
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No no no and no
1. Do you support the ongoing lockdown?
Depends on the location.
2. Do you think lockdown measures are not strict enough?
No
3. Do you think law enforcement should strictly enforce these lockdown rules?
No
4. Do you think the lockdown is constitutional?
Depends.
I just want people to not act like assholes and ignore social distancing and wearing masks in public for the time being. Behave like responsible adults.
Not selfish assholes.
4 no votes from me.
I think the constitutional issue is a big one, and we need to have lawsuits as soon as possible contesting the use of a supposed medical situation to completely deprive us our rights and liberty, effectively suspending the Constitution.
It is absolutely unconstitutional rendering the Other three questions moot.
Question: If the N-95 mask protects me from 95% of the germs would wearing two N-95 masks protect me from 190% of the germs?...
asking for a Fearper...
Been thinking of this a lot recently. If we were two weeks behind Italy in the ramp up then we must be two weeks behind Italy int he ramp down. We were all goaded with look at Italy. We are two weeks behind. When it was bad. The press kept advancing that Italy with its second oldest population in the world was a harbinger for Florida. That there would be millions dear by May 1! Not even close
And year Italy is now completely cooled off. In fact there is also a whistle blower type in the Italian health ministry who said that the number of fatalities in Italy are over counter by 25,000.
What I think we can safely surmise is that following the European curves which paint a very consistent picture of the viral life cycle we can expect that by June 15 this is over. In my judgment it’s more like June 3-5 however the media won’t let it go for another two weeks. We will know full on my June 15 if we are a socialist country now because the clinical picture I think will be very scant and the curve will be well completed.
I am not accounting for pure data manipulation. I am just speaking for the clinical science using intellect guided by two decades of clinical experience unlike that ass kojack. Now is the time of greatest peril — not for the disease —- but for our beloved liberties. It is clear as a bell why pelosi os trying time quickly ram through UBI Becuase in four weeks this crises no longer supports any such thoughts
All no votes for me. Where I understand there may be times the government has to restrict activity to protect the greater good, it has to be done with as little impact to our rights as possible and must not extend any longer than a very clearly defined goal is reached. Governors have by decree killed businesses, and jobs, and the focus has shifted from preventing overloading our hospitals to, “if it saves one life.” This may have started out constitutional, but it has long since passed constitutional muster.
Piss boy is quiet this morning. Maybe his mamma hasn’t let him turn on his computer yet.
I present a short video on (mostly) the subject, “I Love Bill Gates”...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FnlrwLs_gs
I vote for four fabulous “affirmatives”. I’m still skeered.
No to all.
We can all construct scenarios where it’s necessary for the government to limit movement and access (natural disasters, wartime, etc.)
In the early days when we were sorting fact from fiction, I could understand a closure through March. But as soon as April hit, I think we understood enough to begin opening up. Trump heeded the advice of his staff and stayed closed with strong hints from the President that Easter weekend could see an easing of restrictions. I had my own misgivings but...okay.
We’re a month past that and we know so much more now than then. The young and bealthy can resist the virus best—and with hardly knowing they had it. IMO, the elderly and those with debilitating conditions are the most at risk and should quarantine themselves until herd immunity (sooner) or a vaccine (later) is reached.
Government at all levels have not let their crisis go to waste. Their crippling one-lockdown-fits-all approach has depressed the economy to a point where a quick rebound becomes a fleeting possibility. The debt has exploded but the money being spent has become a football. If we’re going to have anything like a strong recovery, re-opening should happen now.
1. Do you support the ongoing lockdown?
I support a gradual relaxation of the lockdown. We can't stay on lock down forever. However, I would have liked to have seen masks and hand sanitizer back in the stores. I don't understand what's taking so long. Masks and sanitizer should be on the first display entering any store. And I would like to see more emphasis on mask wearing. Still too many without them. We can stop wearing masks when it's no longer spreading in the communities.
2. Do you think lockdown measures are not strict enough?
They were strict enough IF everyone had worn masks when visiting or working in essential businesses during the lock down. I think you would have seen cases fall off a lot more than they have. The fact that new cases haven't fallen much indicates that the lock down wasn't fully effective. A 5-7 day, maximum 14 day incubation period means there shouldn't be a lot of new cases 3 weeks into a lock down.
The lock down was successful in that it:
3. Do you think law enforcement should strictly enforce these lock down rules?
There's ways to enforce it without being excessive. Lock down's fail if too many people cheat on it, so there needs to be some enforcement. Are incarcerations such as the Texas Salon owner really necessary? Were her kids really starving or was she just a mule headed flubra?
4. Do you think the lock down is constitutional?
Yes. SCOTUS has ruled over 100 years ago on the constitutionality of emergency powers. Those powers were duly enacted by elected representatives. And they are limited and temporary in scope.
This is a good time to review such laws. Enact them where appropriate actions were taken that weren't adequately supported by legislation. And restrict them where inappropriate actions were taken. Add time limits that require legislative extensions if time limits aren't already in the legislation.
And both Federal and State legislatures need to be able to conduct business remotely. And appropriate controls need to be in place to ensure that's not abused.
This is not the last pandemic. We need to learn from this one and get ready for the next one. We get a scare every couple of years. This is the first one in 100 years that's caused a widespread shutdown. I think ever more dense population centers combined with ever expanding travel, is a recipe for more frequent serious viruses.
I guess I should answer the questions...
Support lockdown? Hell NO!
Lockdown not strict enough? There shouldn’t even be a lockdown.
Law enforcement enforce strictly? Hell no. The gestapo should fear the people, not the other way around.
Lockdown constitutional? Nope
2. Do you think lockdown measures are not strict enough? NO.
3. Do you think law enforcement should strictly enforce these lockdown rules? NO.
4. Do you think the lockdown is constitutional? Not in scope and extent.
Relevant: For Most States, At Least A Third Of COVID-19 Deaths Are In Long-Term Care Facilities [quarantined]
NPR ^ | May 9, 2020 | Vanessa Romo
No, no, no, questionable.
Hell no! X 4.