Flubros and Flubras! Day 52 (a place for everyone today)

www.freerepublic.com ^ | 10 May 2020 | Impimp

[impimp]

It’s just the flu, bro.

Happy Mother’s Day!

There are a few Fearpers who post here still arguing that this is more than the flu. I imagine debates with those Fearpers will still occur. The question is though do any Fearpers still actually support the ongoing lockdown. Although normally we say that this is a place for Flubros and Flubras, for today, let’s see if there are any Fearbros who still think keeping the lockdown restrictions is a good idea. It seems as though most Freepers now oppose the lockdown.

But let’s get these questions answered:

1. Do you support the ongoing lockdown?

2. Do you think lockdown measures are not strict enough?

3. Do you think law enforcement should strictly enforce these lockdown rules?

4. Do you think the lockdown is constitutional?

[brookwood]

It’s not the flu, I won’t repeat my numerous overwhelming arguments which drive flubros into crushing defeat and shame daily.
However, taking into account the real danger (flu times 10, Hong Kong flu times 2 for argument’s sake), I support some business closures, limits to large gatherings, etc. based on regional conditions. NYC is down to 107 Covid deaths yesterday, which in any other year would be “noise”. Many states should open up now. I like what Sweden is doing, because in effect it is a controlled experiment. They have 3 times the cases and deaths as their nearest neighbor, Norway, per capita. At least we can learn the trade-offs and decide accordingly.

[Yogafist]

All no votes for me. Where I understand there may be times the government has to restrict activity to protect the greater good, it has to be done with as little impact to our rights as possible and must not extend any longer than a very clearly defined goal is reached. Governors have by decree killed businesses, and jobs, and the focus has shifted from preventing overloading our hospitals to, “if it saves one life.” This may have started out constitutional, but it has long since passed constitutional muster.

[SanchoP]

All NOs but it seems like a moot point. Wimpy Abbott pretty well shot himself in the foot.

[Nothingburger]

You have every right to your opinion. But your cartoon/illustration mocking anyone who disagrees with you is over-the-top obnoxious.

I was always under the impression that conservatives — at least self-styled conservatives — held themselves to a higher standard of decorum.

Then I joined Free Republic.

[rarestia]

It’s not the flu

Either you're being intellectually dishonest or ignorant.

Every flu ever classified is literally a coronavirus. Unless you have epidemiological or otherwise scientific data to back up your claim (which is counter to every medical journal in existence, btw), don't stand on your moral high ground pronouncing that this isn't, in fact, a flu. It literally is a flu.

Now, if you want to say that this is worse than the common annual flu, fine. There are respiratory components to this flu that are frightening, but with a <2% mortality rate, this flu is no worse than most. The fact that the media is giving it such a grandiose platform of fear does not mean it's anything more than what it is: a flu.

[cweese]

"..my numerous overwhelming arguments which drive flubros into crushing defeat and shame daily."

LOL! Thanks for the howler!!

[cweese]

Piss boy is quiet this morning. Maybe his mamma hasn’t let him turn on his computer yet.

[meyer]

I present a short video on (mostly) the subject, “I Love Bill Gates”...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FnlrwLs_gs

[meyer]

And while we’re in the video mood...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pztngIlZ2vc

[crusty old prospector]

I vote for four fabulous “affirmatives”. I’m still skeered.

[BradyLS]

No to all.

We can all construct scenarios where it’s necessary for the government to limit movement and access (natural disasters, wartime, etc.)

In the early days when we were sorting fact from fiction, I could understand a closure through March. But as soon as April hit, I think we understood enough to begin opening up. Trump heeded the advice of his staff and stayed closed with strong hints from the President that Easter weekend could see an easing of restrictions. I had my own misgivings but...okay.

We’re a month past that and we know so much more now than then. The young and bealthy can resist the virus best—and with hardly knowing they had it. IMO, the elderly and those with debilitating conditions are the most at risk and should quarantine themselves until herd immunity (sooner) or a vaccine (later) is reached.

Government at all levels have not let their crisis go to waste. Their crippling one-lockdown-fits-all approach has depressed the economy to a point where a quick rebound becomes a fleeting possibility. The debt has exploded but the money being spent has become a football. If we’re going to have anything like a strong recovery, re-opening should happen now.

[haffast]

"""I just want people to not act like assholes and ignore social distancing and wearing masks in public for the time being. Behave like responsible adults.
Not selfish assholes."""

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Do not drive your car. You driving increases the likelyhood of us being involved in a wreck increasing the probability of me dying. The statistics are not exact and are in question.

It would be selfish of you to drive your car, so do not drive your car and stay at home you self righteous, virtue-signalling, snowflake sounding FEARBABY mind slave.

Don't tread on me.

And don't leave the house wearing your mask with your mind distracted by social distancing to cross a street, there could be a tractor trailer with your name on it's front bumper. The mask won't protect you against that either. "Life" for you is shivering in fear inside a padded closet. It's your choice. Trust yourself, but keep it to yourself. 

Please STAY HOME! It's a necessity if you want me to live. You want me to live don't you? So stay at home and wait for your government check until I run out of money to pay taxes. Then what?

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Birx said 'there is nothing from the CDC that I can trust' in a White House coronavirus task force meeting
mmark@businessinsider.com (Michelle Mark) - Business Insider•May 10, 2020

"The Post reported that Birx and others feared that the CDC's statistics on mortality rate and case counts were inflated by up to 25%."
https://news.yahoo.com/birx-said-nothing-cdc-trust-044212374.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=1_04

Read the "reactions". ;)

It's not about a virus.  It's about an election.  Wake up dummy.

#Trumpshowingyou

[DannyTN]

80,000 dead and growing in just a couple of months WITH a lockdown. Clearly it's worse than the flu.

1. Do you support the ongoing lockdown?

I support a gradual relaxation of the lockdown. We can't stay on lock down forever. However, I would have liked to have seen masks and hand sanitizer back in the stores. I don't understand what's taking so long. Masks and sanitizer should be on the first display entering any store. And I would like to see more emphasis on mask wearing. Still too many without them. We can stop wearing masks when it's no longer spreading in the communities.

2. Do you think lockdown measures are not strict enough?

They were strict enough IF everyone had worn masks when visiting or working in essential businesses during the lock down. I think you would have seen cases fall off a lot more than they have. The fact that new cases haven't fallen much indicates that the lock down wasn't fully effective. A 5-7 day, maximum 14 day incubation period means there shouldn't be a lot of new cases 3 weeks into a lock down.

The lock down was successful in that it:

• Flattened the curve.
• Gave time to evaluate treatment regimens such as HCQ+Zinc, ventilation/oxygen techniques, etc.
• Gave time to develop some vaccine candidates.
• Gave time to understand the virus better and realize it's effects are more than just a standard ARDS. Such as the heart issues, and the hypoxia, and the blood clotting.
• It slowed the spread of the virus until the summer months, which may or may not help.

3. Do you think law enforcement should strictly enforce these lock down rules?

There's ways to enforce it without being excessive. Lock down's fail if too many people cheat on it, so there needs to be some enforcement. Are incarcerations such as the Texas Salon owner really necessary? Were her kids really starving or was she just a mule headed flubra?

4. Do you think the lock down is constitutional?

Yes. SCOTUS has ruled over 100 years ago on the constitutionality of emergency powers. Those powers were duly enacted by elected representatives. And they are limited and temporary in scope.

This is a good time to review such laws. Enact them where appropriate actions were taken that weren't adequately supported by legislation. And restrict them where inappropriate actions were taken. Add time limits that require legislative extensions if time limits aren't already in the legislation.

And both Federal and State legislatures need to be able to conduct business remotely. And appropriate controls need to be in place to ensure that's not abused.

This is not the last pandemic. We need to learn from this one and get ready for the next one. We get a scare every couple of years. This is the first one in 100 years that's caused a widespread shutdown. I think ever more dense population centers combined with ever expanding travel, is a recipe for more frequent serious viruses.

[DannyTN]

Question: If the N-95 mask protects me from 95% of the germs would wearing two N-95 masks protect me from 190% of the germs?... asking for a Fearper...

Yes, that would guarantee that you die of asphyxiation, resulting in permanent immunity to dying from coronavirus and other germs or viruses.

[campaignPete R-CT]

Every flu belongs to the the phylum Negarnaviricota. This phylum also includes:
-Blueberry mosaic associated ophiovirus (B1MaV) ... a plant virus which infects blueberry plants
-Measles
-Mumps
-Rabies
-Hantavirusy
-Tilapia lake virus (infects wild populations of tilapia fish)

Every Coronavirus belongs to the the phylum Pisuviricota. This phylum also includes:
-Southern tomato virus
-Hypoviruses (Fungi serve as hosts)
-Torovirus ... Gastroenteritis, also known as infectious diarrhea
-Okaviruses ... infect shrimp (prawns)
-Equine viral arteritis (horses)
-feline calicivirus
-La France disease (kills mushrooms)

None of the flus are coronaviruses. None of the coronaviruses are the flu. Covid-19 has nothing to do with the flu. It would be more accurate to say:
It’s just diarrhea, bro.

The infected and high-risk individuals should quarantine. The healthy should be at work.

[meyer]

I guess I should answer the questions...

Support lockdown? Hell NO!

Lockdown not strict enough? There shouldn’t even be a lockdown.

Law enforcement enforce strictly? Hell no. The gestapo should fear the people, not the other way around.

Lockdown constitutional? Nope

[Laslo Fripp]

NO x 4👎👎👎👎

[daniel1212]

1. Do you support the ongoing lockdown? NO.

2. Do you think lockdown measures are not strict enough? NO.

3. Do you think law enforcement should strictly enforce these lockdown rules? NO.

4. Do you think the lockdown is constitutional? Not in scope and extent.

Relevant: For Most States, At Least A Third Of COVID-19 Deaths Are In Long-Term Care Facilities [quarantined]
NPR ^ | May 9, 2020 | Vanessa Romo

[daniel1212]

I took your poll *(qabove) now you take mine:

[haffast]

“””This is not the last pandemic. We need to learn from this one and get ready for the next one. We get a scare every couple of years. This is the first one in 100 years that’s caused a widespread shutdown. I think ever more dense population centers combined with ever expanding travel, is a recipe for more frequent serious viruses.”””

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Come out of those diseased, festering pus filled boils that are the socialistic Democratic plantations and receive your forty acres and a mule and live as freed men and women taking responsibity for your own lives. If able, help your neighbor, but by your own heart’s choice, not by coercion.

Or, continue to cower down under the whip of the fear of death, continuing to vote for hyperbolic robber barons who devise “necessities” to steal the sweat of the productive in flyover country to feed themelves and their cowardly economic slaves who cheer on their Roman circuses of flashing lights and exciting noise of an altered reality where death is not thought of. If they are satisfied to eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table, then so be it, but keepa your hands off my forty acres.

By the sweat of your brow you will eat your bread, until you return to the ground— because out of it were you taken. For dust you are, and to dust you shall return. Quite the crying and gnashing of teeth and go to work.

There was a reason for the Babylonian mix up of languages.

Better living through chemistry. Requiring more chemistry. Which will require yet more chemistry. Tru$t man, or God?

The rise of superbugs: Facing the antibiotic resistance crisis
Written by Maria Cohut, Ph.D. on November 18, 2019
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/327050

New report calls for urgent action to avert antimicrobial resistance crisis

International organizations unite on critical recommendations to combat drug-resistant infections and prevent staggering number of deaths each year
29 April 2019 Joint News Release - New York

“If no action is taken - warns the UN Ad hoc Interagency Coordinating Group on Antimicrobial Resistance who released the report – drug-resistant diseases could cause 10 million deaths each year by 2050 and damage to the economy as catastrophic as the 2008-2009 global financial crisis. By 2030, antimicrobial resistance could force up to 24 million people into extreme poverty.”
https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/29-04-2019-new-report-calls-for-urgent-action-to-avert-antimicrobial-resistance-crisis

#itsyourchoice #itstheiragenda #itstheelection #necessity