It's not "the China-virus", it's the Sixth Chinese Pandemic

opinion | 5/3/2020 | BroJoeK

[BroJoeK]

President Trump might reconsider calling Coronavirus "The Chinese Virus", because it's just the latest Chinese viral pandemic -- by my count, the sixth in the past 103 years.
This means China has been, in effect, a virus producing factory whose pandemics killed millions worldwide, and who remains a biological threat globally.

Here is my list of the Six Chinese Viral Pandemics, two of which are in dispute, both from the H1N1 virus, the first based on a Chinese report of deaths in November 1917:

Number	First Year	Name	Origin	Virus	Died	Remarks
1	1917	"Spanish Flu"	northern China	H1N1	around 35 million	disputed origins
2	1957	"Asian Flu"	Guizhou, China	H2N2	around 3 million
3	1968	"Hong Kong Flu"	Hong Kong<-- China	H3N2	around 3 million
4	2002	SARS-Covid-1	Guangdong, China	SARS-COV-1	around 1,000
5	2009	"Swine Flu"	Mexico<-- China	H1N1	around 300,000	disputed origins
6	2019	"Coronavirus"	Whu Han, China	SARS-COV-2	around 250,000++

[Rurudyne]

It’s always a sad day when you find out Grandpa has become a registered Democrat.

[Wuli]

While there is some grounds for suspicion that at a minimum the current Wuhan Virus derives from experiments with viruses, including genetic engineering within those experiments, centered on the P4 high security (high risk) lab in Wuhan, and some “off breed” of those experiments leaked from that lab. The questions of those experiments being part of the dictatorships biological warfare experiments has not yet been answered by publicly available information, so I’ll leave that as an open question.

Yet, none of that explains the collective question as to why China for so many bad viruses going back almost a century (and further if we are counting the plagues that spread from China to Europe), to long before the current dictators were in power.

There must be a commonality to all the bad viruses from China, going way back, and it cannot be a lab and a government that did not exist a century ago.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks BroJoeK.

• Why Hong Kong protesters insist on calling it the 'Chinese coronavirus'

[Big Red Badger]

Interesting,
I’m thinking,,,

[shanover]

I argue this fact to people and they stick fingers in their ears. The propaganda machine has done very well.

[Pearls Before Swine]

Labelling Coronavirus correctly as "The Sixth Chinese Viral Pandemic" would allow the world the opportunity to reflect...

China is a historically overcrowded country with many unsanitary habits. The same is true of India. Have there not been pandemics sourced from India? If not, why the contrast?

[Big Red Badger]

“Made in China”
Is the
New Biohazard Symbol!

[AdmSmith]

Why restrict it to virus?

Just a random info from the literature:

The Third Plague Pandemic originated in the Yunnan region of southwest China, where plague caused multiple outbreaks since 1772. In 1894, plague reached Canton and then spread to Hong Kong, where Alexandre Yersin identified the bacterium.

It was then carried by ships to Japan, Singapore, Taiwan and the Indian subcontinent. Over the next few years, plague spread to many cities around the world: Bombay, Singapore, Alexandria, Buenos Aires, Rio de Janeiro, Honolulu, San Francisco and Sidney, among others. The earliest known European cases occurred in September and October 1896, when two sailors from Bombay died of plague on ships docked in London on the Thames.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6501942/

[Big Red Badger]

Plague/virus,
I’ll educate myself
On the differences,
Thanks.

[hecticskeptic]

Labelling Coronavirus correctly as "The Sixth Chinese Viral Pandemic" would allow the world the opportunity to reflect on what China's role has been in the past, and should be in the future.

I agree... and as a subset, this one is the WuFlu which correctly identifies it as the city in China where it came from....

[BroJoeK]

Wuli: "There must be a commonality to all the bad viruses from China, going way back, and it cannot be a lab and a government that did not exist a century ago."

Right, I'm not saying the Chinese have been somehow inventing viruses for the past 100 years, that would be nonsense.
I am noticing that, somehow, viruses have been coming out of China now six times in the past 100 years.
How & why that happens we don't really know, but what we do know is that this time the Chi-com government responded to the latest outbreak by sealing off Wuhan from the rest of China, while allowing Wuhanese to travel in their many tens of thousands to the rest of the world.

That cannot be an accident, it has to be someone's deliberate decision, and I'm merely speculating that after generations of accidentally releasing viruses on the world, this time Chi-com authorities decided to use the latest Coronavirus for their own strategic interests.

That was an act of war of which the world should take notice and so consider the Chi-coms a biological enemy combatant regime.
Coronovirus should be the Chi-coms Chernobyl.

[BroJoeK]

shanover: "I argue this fact to people and they stick fingers in their ears.
The propaganda machine has done very well."

Indeed!
I list two of the pandemics as being of disputed origin, meaning the Chi-coms themselves don't fess up to them, beginning with the 1917 "Spanish Flu".
Well... nobody knows for sure what happened in 1917, but we do know of a 1918 Chinese report of people dying from identical symptoms in 1917, and we know there were a large number of Chinese who travelled to the European front that year.

More to your point: Democrats don't care of course about how many people die or who caused it -- Trump caused it, in their minds anyway!
Democrats do care about Chinese support and Asian-American voters, and so they will spout whatever party line the Chi-coms dictate.

{sigh}

[BroJoeK]

Pearls Before Swine: "China is a historically overcrowded country with many unsanitary habits. The same is true of India.
Have there not been pandemics sourced from India? If not, why the contrast? "

It's fair to say that every large country historically has its share of epidemics, including the USA and India.
Diseases like Yellow Fever, Cholera & Small Pox have spread from every country in the 19th century and from many in the 20th.
Since 1900 India has actually suffered more known epidemics than secretive China, but the total numbers dying have been much smaller.

China's unique "contributions" have been viruses related to H1N1 since 1917 and more recently SARS-Coronaviruses.
Where they all came from, and how each one spread to humans is still not well understood, but the Chi-com response to the latest Coronavirus is... well... breathtaking in its contempt for the rest of the world.

That should never be forgotten.

[BroJoeK]

AdmSmith: "Why restrict it to virus? "

Right, see my response just above.
Over the centuries there have been many, many epidemics/pandemics, originating in pretty much every country, including the USA and China.

So the fact of epidemics is not unusual or unique to China.
What is astonishing is the Chi-com response to its most recent SARS-Coronavirus outbreak.

In my opinion it was an act of biological war against the whole world!

[GOPJ]

Its a filthy country with a culture that every few decades drops sickness on the world - or starves it's own people to death.

Everywhere the Chinese culture goes, filth and death follow.

It's not just disease, it's theft of intellectual property, cheating at trade deals, using prisoners to harvest organs and do experiments on, it's lack of any freedom, it's streets will with shit and skies filled with pollution and hungry, angry 'elites' who feel they need more land for their hellhole to expand to.

The Chinese thugs looked at the beauty of Italy and said, WE SHOULD LIVE IN SUCH BEAUTY. But of course it would become an ugly hellhole if they Chinese took over Italy. Chinese 'leaders' looked at American and said WE SHOULD HAVE THAT WEALTH AND SO MANY AMUSEMENTS... but if the Chinese leaders moved their hellhole here out streets would be filled with shit and piss and our skies with pollution. And our cities with disease. The hellhole travels with the culture...

Our 'elites' sold us out to the Chinese... for advantage. Now China wants Biden back in their pocket and thugs running the press. And our Universities want their 'chinese' advantages' big money grants and graft back...

[BroJoeK]

Big Red Badger: "Plague/virus, I’ll educate myself On the differences..."

The word "plague" can refer to a specific disease such as Bubonic plague or Pneumonic plague caused by specific bacteria.
The word can also refer generally to any infestation, up to and including, "a plague of lawyers" attacking our President! ;-)

When the President talks about Coronavirus as a "plague", he means it in that second sense.

For the most part modern medicine can deal effectively with diseases caused by bacteria, but viruses are still a major problem, for one thing they mutate and adapt/evolve very rapidly.
As bacteria-caused diseases fade from public health importance, viruses have risen up to take their places, most notably the 1917 H1N1 "Spanish Flu" which killed tens of millions, and now the latest Chinese Coronavirus.

[BroJoeK]

GOPJ: "...Our 'elites' sold us out to the Chinese... for advantage.
Now China wants Biden back in their pocket and thugs running the press.
And our Universities want their 'chinese' advantages' big money grants and graft back... "

Right, China was, and for a large part still is, a Third World country with huge First World ambitions -- ambitions worthy of their history and culture.
And that history includes a Chi-com government which, in my lifetime, didn't hesitate to kill or let die tens of millions of its own citizens for such nonsense as "a Great Leap Forward".
Why then would they care about killing off maybe a million old geezers in retirement & nursing homes?
Spread the virus worldwide!
It was an act of biological warfare, imho.

[GOPJ]

Step one is killing off the geezers... The virus makes the bodies of the young into bodies with ‘underlying medical problems’. The second release will kill off the healthy...in the same proportion as the old are dying now.

Their mistake is to think we’ll just wait around for that to happen. We won’t. And we know how to fight back. We didn’t get to where we are by being ‘easy’. The nice thing about fighting psychopaths is they’re not really very
creative... and we are... We’ll give them the benefit of the doubt for as long as we can - because that’s part of our culture. But there will come a point - and the Chinese better watch for this - when we flip - then they’ll find out why we’re first world and they’re not...

[Fiddlstix]

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[BroJoeK]

"Step one is killing off the geezers..."

I'm still kicking. ;-)

Viruses are still poorly understood -- how they work, what they can do, etc.
But it seems to me the ultimate in a designer-virus would not be intended to kill us all off, just transform us from the land of the free, home of the brave, to a nation of mind-numbed robots, busily working to serve our masters in Beijing -- in other words, Democrats.

Seems to be working... ;-)