Posted on 05/02/2020 6:39:16 AM PDT by budj
In my lifetime, there was another deadly flu epidemic in the United States. The flu spread from Hong Kong to the United States, arriving December 1968 and peaking a year later. It ultimately killed 100,000 people in the U.S., mostly over the age of 65, and one million worldwide.
Lifespan in the US in those days was 70 whereas it is 78 today. Population was 200 million as compared with 328 million today. If it would be possible to extrapolate the death data based on population and demographics, we might be looking at a quarter million deaths today from this virus. So in terms of lethality, it was as deadly and scary as COVID-19 if not more so, though we shall have to wait to see.
In 1968, says Nathaniel L. Moir in National Interest, the H3N2 pandemic killed more individuals in the U.S. than the combined total number of American fatalities during both the Vietnam and Korean Wars.
And this happened in the lifetimes of every American over 52 years of age.
I was 5 years old and have no memory of this at all. My mother vaguely remembers being careful and washing surfaces, and encouraging her mom and dad to be careful. Otherwise, its mostly forgotten today. Why is that?
Nothing closed. Schools stayed open. All businesses did too. You could go to the movies. You could go to bars and restaurants. John Fund has a friend who reports having attended a Grateful Dead concert. In fact, people have no memory or awareness that the famous Woodstock concert of August 1969 actually occurred during a deadly American flu pandemic that only peaked six months later.
Stock markets didnt crash. Congress passed no legislation. The Federal Reserve did nothing. Not a single governor acted to enforce social distancing, curve flattening (even though hundreds of thousands of people were hospitalized), or banning of crowds. No mothers were arrested for taking their kids to other homes. No surfers were arrested. No daycares were shut even though there were more infant deaths with this virus than the one we are experiencing now. There were no suicides, no unemployment, no drug overdoses.
Media covered the pandemic but it never became a big issue.
As Bojan Pancevski in the Wall Street Journal points out, In 1968-70, news outlets devoted cursory attention to the virus while training their lenses on other events such as the moon landing and the Vietnam War, and the cultural upheaval of the civil-rights movements, student protests and the sexual revolution.
The only actions governments took was to collect data, watch and wait, encourage testing and vaccines, and so on. The medical community took the primary responsibility for disease mitigation, as one might expect. It was widely assumed that diseases require medical not political responses.
Its not as if we had governments unwilling to intervene in other matters. We had the Vietnam War, social welfare, public housing, urban renewal, and the rise of Medicare and Medicaid. We had a president swearing to cure all poverty, illiteracy, and disease. Government was as intrusive as it had ever been in history. But for some reason, there was no thought given to shutdowns.
Which raises the question: why was this different? We will be trying to figure this one out for decades.
Was the difference that we have mass media invading our lives with endless notifications blowing up in our pockets? Was there some change in philosophy such that we now think politics is responsible for all existing aspects of life? Was there a political element here in that the media blew this wildly out of proportion as revenge against Trump and his deplorables? Or did our excessive adoration of predictive modelling get out of control to the point that we let a physicist with ridiculous models frighten the worlds governments into violating the human rights of billions of people?
Maybe all of these were factors. Or maybe there is something darker and nefarious at work, as the conspiracy theorists would have it.
Regardless, they all have some explaining to do.
By way of personal recollection, my own mother and father were part of a generation that believed they had developed sophisticated views of viruses. They understood that less vulnerable people getting them not only strengthened immune systems but contributed to disease mitigation by reaching herd immunity. They had a whole protocol to make a child feel better about being sick. I got a sick toy, unlimited ice cream, Vicks rub on my chest, a humidifier in my room, and so on.
They would constantly congratulate me on building immunity. They did their very best to be happy about my viruses, while doing their best to get me through them.
If we used government lockdowns then like we use them now, Woodstock (which changed music forever and still resonates today) would never have occurred. How much prosperity, culture, tech, etc. are losing in this calamity?
What happened between then and now? Was there some kind of lost knowledge, as happened with scurvy, when we once had sophistication and then the knowledge was lost and had to be re-found? For COVID-19, we reverted to medieval-style understandings and policies, even in the 21st century. Its all very strange.
The contrast between 1968 and 2020 couldnt be more striking. They were smart. We are idiots. Or at least our governments are.
How did America endure (by the grace of God): Major modern influenza pandemics: Basic source is from Wikipedia, but with specific US data added as well as for the 2017-18 flu season, with other words in [brackets] being added, and formatting improved, while reference numbers are removed for clarity (see original for such)
Name |
[Main]Date |
U.S. population |
World pop. |
Sub-type |
Reproduction rate |
Infected W.W. (est.) |
U.S. Deaths |
[Tot.] Deaths world-wide |
U.S. fatality rate |
[World] Case |
I also added this column: During the 2017-2018 flu season the the % of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza (P&I) was at or above the epidemic threshold for 16 consecutive weeks, and exceeded 10.0% for four consecutive weeks, with older Americans dying at a rate of 169 Americans a day, or seven people per hour. For this 2019-20 season, the CDC reports (March 28) that deaths due to P&I was 7.4%, which is above the epidemic threshold of 7.3%. The increase is due to an increase in pneumonia deaths rather than influenza deaths and may be associated with COVID-19. However, the CDC reported that the flu rate is low even though the percentage of pneumonia and influenza is above the epidemic threshold of 7.0% for week 15. And here it listed 52,285 deaths for Week 13 and 49,292 deaths for Week 14 as of 4-18) ) for Influenza Deaths and Pneumonia Deaths combined. And note that some of the latter can be assigned to Covid. |
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188990 flu pandemic [Russian influenza] |
188990 |
62,979,766 |
1.53 billion |
2060% (300900 million) |
[13,000**] |
1 million |
N/A |
0.100.28% |
2 |
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191820 |
103,208,000 |
1.80 billion |
1.80 (IQR, 1.472.27) |
33% (500 million) or >56% (>1 billion) |
20100 million |
N/A |
23% or ~4%, or ~10% ~10% |
5 |
||||
195758 |
171,984,130 |
2.90 billion |
1.65 (IQR, 1.531.70) |
>17% (>500 million) |
[116,000] |
14 million |
N/A |
<0.2% [0.6%] |
2 |
|||
196869 |
200,706,052 |
3.53 billion |
1.80 (IQR, 1.561.85) |
>14% (>500 million) |
[100,000] |
14 million |
N/A |
<0.2% |
2 |
|||
200910 |
308,745,538 |
6.85 billion |
1.46 (IQR, 1.301.70) |
11-21% (0.71.4 billion) |
[12,469] |
151,700575,400 |
[0.02%] |
0.03% |
1 |
|||
20172018 |
325,084,756 |
7.53 billion |
N/A |
N/A |
N/A |
|||||||
Every year |
7.75 billion |
A/H3N2, A/H1N1, B, ... |
1.28 (IQR, 1.191.37) |
515% (340 million 1 billion) 311% or 520% (240 million1.6 billion) |
290,000650,000/year |
N/A |
<0.1% |
1 |
||||
201920 seasonal flu |
201920 |
330,541,013 |
7.75 billion |
A(H1N1)pdm09, B/Victoria, A(H3N2) |
[Over 24,000 as of March 28] |
0.45-1.2 million[t 2]) |
N/A |
ongoing |
1 |
|||
COVID-19 |
201920 |
330,541,013 |
7.75 billion |
|
|
[3,426,413 5-2 11am] |
[66,000 approx. as of 5-2] |
[240,500 approx. as of 5-2 11am] |
N/A |
|
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[Notes * P+I deaths at or above epidemic threshold for 16 consecutive weeks. **as should be assumed in other cases, death rates include those due to complications accompanying the flu. We have the CDC morality rates for the flu per state for 2017-18 (13 states above 17 per 100,000 total population) and for Covid here (only 8 states above 17 per 100,000 people, as of April 24). And according to estimates, between 61,000 to 80,000 Americans died during the 2017-2018 season, the latter being the highest death toll in 40 years. During that 2017-2018 season, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza (P&I) was at or above the epidemic threshold for 16 consecutive weeks. Nationally, mortality attributed to P&I exceeded 10.0% for four consecutive weeks, peaking at 10.8% during the week ending January 20, 2018, (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.htm) with older Americans dying at a rate of 169 Americans a day, or seven people per hour. (https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2018/older-flu-deaths-rising.html It is estimated that about 80% of those infected with Covid-19 experience a mild case [WHO said the like] about as serious as a regular cold and recover without needing any special treatment. Meanwhile a study in Iceland reports that as of April 11, the country has tested 10% of its population for coronavirus - a figure far higher than anywhere else in the world - and that about half of its citizenry at any given time who have coronavirus but don't know it, will be asymptomatic (show no symptoms), which is a large percentage many experts studying the virus have suspected, but have had little firm data to corroborate. Another report is that those who are most vulnerable to death from Covid-19 are the aged with certain other heath conditions, thus 80 percent of US coronavirus deaths are people 65 and older. Then again, America murders over 2,000 of the most vulnerable souls a day (2017: https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/induced-abortion-united-states), while (for perspective) about 90 people die each day in the US from crashes, which are among the over 7,000 Americans who die every day in the US from a wide range of causes. (https://www.weisspaarz.com/leading-causes-death-by-state/) Other infectious diseases include: Severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, and the mortality rate for SARS, that killed nearly 800 people, is estimated at 1 % by the C C, and with a R rating of 5. MERS, which stands for Middle East re respiratory syn drone, had a mortality rate of 5% and a R rating of 2]. Measles: Mortality rate: unclear; R rating: 12 to 18 Ebola Mortality rate: exceeds 50% R rating: about 2 Source: .cnbc.com]
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Supplemental: Mortality rates (death rate per year, 2002 worldwide[4]) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_causes_of_death_by_rate)
I have absolutely no expectation that you will have any ability to understand what the significance of this graph is or even what it is trying to illustrate... but here goes. The
Fig. 1. Mean compound daily growth rates in estimated active cases of COVID-19 for the world excluding China (red) and for several individual nations averaged over the successive seven-day periods ending on all dates from April 1 to April 29, 2020.
My only hope for you, Travis is that you will recognize that the downward trend is good.
Aw Jeez, not the we're all gonna die graph again.
From your chart, “America murders over 2,000 of the most vulnerable souls a day...”
It is not very clear that the author is talking about abortions.
“Wuhan Flu has killed 60,000 Americans in six weeks.”
With lockdowns too.
However, did that, or the 116,000 Americans that died as a result of the Asian flu (when the US pop. was about half it is today), see the level of testing (upon which estimates are built) that COVID has?
Wuhan Flu has killed 60,000 Americans in six weeks.
6 weeks would make the first U.S. death by COVID to be about the middle of March, versus on February 6, though reports increased as it spread and the number of tests increased. In any case, even if deaths by COVID attain to or surpass the levels of the the Asian and HK flu infections, you would also have to factor in the % of the population to make them equal.
Yet even if the COVID death rate per million is equal to or surpasses them, the issue remains that we did not see comparative restrictions with the prior pandemics proportionate to their death rate per million. Their simply is nothing close to it, which is what I think the basic argument of the article is.
Based upon her scientific modeling.
Vietnam has become the talking point in regards to our losses there and the Chinaflu.
There is. Quarantine the sick and known carriers. Test probable carriers and treat them according to results. Encourage those at greatest risk to self-quarantine and offer assistance in doing so. Don't prevent the rest of us from living a relatively normal life.
Put the damned basketball hoops back up, unlock the skateboard park and the boat launch, open my pub and the boardwalk. Let ME decide how safe I choose to play it.
I suppose you want your Constitution back, too>
We are seeing the consequences of the “chickification” of the American population.
We live in fear instead of fighting.
The liberals’ answer to this information about 1968-69 will be “So, you want 100,000 to die this time, because you are a racist-sexist-homophobe-bigot-fascist-capitalist-Trump lover?”
“Wuhan Flu has killed 60,000 Americans in six weeks.”
First, we don’t know it is 60,000. The lying is rampant.
Second, it’s been far longer than 6 weeks.
It hasn’t killed 60,000. The reasons that number can’t be trusted or verified have been pointed out to you many times.
Whoever you’re being paid by is certainly getting their money’s worth, and you end up looking like a psycho freak.
Hope it’s worth it to you.
Do some research and youll find that even the CDC has reclassed some 50k of those to flu, pneumonia, other coronavirus
But if you simply click on the link that accompanies it, or are at all familiar with the issue and thus the source, then that would be easily seen. However, this is FR, and I assume most would know what I am referring to.
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