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Coronavirus Unmasked: How It Works: In Italy, only 20 out of 65,000 chronic Lupus patients got COVID-19; A Reader for the Technically Inclined
The Internet Protocol ^ | 04/30/2020 | By Ivan Tkachenko

Posted on 04/30/2020 6:33:20 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

This is great news.
But I fear every other country in the world will have to use this treatment before the egos of the Fauci legion will be forced to offer it to Americans.


41 posted on 04/30/2020 9:19:44 PM PDT by silverleaf (President Trump: Do not trust China. China is asshoe!)
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To: MrEdd

That fills in some blanks. Thank you.


42 posted on 04/30/2020 9:24:30 PM PDT by TChad (The MSM, having nuked its own credibility, is now bombing the rubble.)
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To: SeekAndFind

In this article the theory is the virus is affecting the blood so that it doesn’t pick up oxygen and that has been seen in the hospitals where the ventilators are ineffective.

So here the theory is that hydroxychloroquine works separately, without zinc, to protect the blood from the virus. The other theory is that HCQ assists the zinc to kill the virus within cells.

Yesterdays article, “MEDIA LIED, PEOPLE DIED: Italian Study Finds INCREDIBLE Prophylaxis Results for Patients on Hydroxychloroquine” commenter JohnBovenmyer pointed this out and that comment is worth a read.


43 posted on 04/30/2020 9:38:19 PM PDT by Piers
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To: SeekAndFind

I stumbled across this but want to know what Clioquinol is. I started with a photo of an article so I don’t have a link.

Clioquinol {lodochlorhydroxyquin) to Treat and Terminate COVID-19. 3% Clioquinol Cream is Available Now.
Leslie C. Costello, PhD.
Department of Oncology and Diagnostic Sciences
University of Maryland School of Dentistry; and the
University of Maryland Greenebaum Comprehensive Cancer Center
Baltimore, Md. 21201
Abstract: 3% Clioquinol Cream will likely terminate the COVID-19 virus infection, and possibly suppress its development; and it presents little or no adverse side effects. Clioquinol (iodochlorhydroxyquin) is a zinc ionophore that exhibits properties that are ideal for binding with zinc (ZnClioquinol). It also has zinc cytotoxic effects that will terminate the COVID-19 virus. It is more effective than chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine. There is no need to wait 1-2 years for the development of new medications.


44 posted on 04/30/2020 9:38:19 PM PDT by Piers
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To: kiryandil

I read your profile.

You need to add these to yer big gubbermint list:

Mandating toilets that use no more than 1 gallon per flush, why they didn’t flush well.

Banning incandescent light bulbs, so you get to buy expensive mercury filled CFL’s that don’t last as long if you turn them on and off often.

Banning DDT to save endangered birds, killing tens of thousands of humans from malaria.

And here’s the best of them all, the winner by virtue of how absurd it was, from the Obama stimulus package: millions of US tax dollars going to Africa in an effort to educate sub Saharan men on the proper use of a condom. I had 11 years to think about that one, and I’m still not sure how that stimulated the US economy.


45 posted on 04/30/2020 9:41:15 PM PDT by Red6
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To: leaning conservative

Are you taking Plaquenil?

I have two friends who take it as a maintenance protocol, (one) for lupus and (the other) for RA.

I believe one of them may also be taking a low dose zinc, now.


46 posted on 04/30/2020 9:46:02 PM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: MrEdd

Why would the thread get buried?


47 posted on 04/30/2020 9:49:46 PM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: Red6
And here’s the best of them all, the winner by virtue of how absurd it was, from the Obama stimulus package: millions of US tax dollars going to Africa in an effort to educate sub Saharan men on the proper use of a condom. I had 11 years to think about that one, and I’m still not sure how that stimulated the US economy.

Too easy.

Most of that boodle never left the CONUS, so yeah, spent locally to (ahem) stimulate the economy!

The absurdity was that they thought of that as the excuse for cutting the check, and everybody bought it.

48 posted on 04/30/2020 9:50:23 PM PDT by going hot (happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Jane Long

Because people post newer threads which get more responses.
It happens a lot.


49 posted on 04/30/2020 9:51:06 PM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: Hostage

He uses a lot of great analogies.

I’ve listened to a few of his interviews.


50 posted on 04/30/2020 9:51:19 PM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: MrEdd

Okay....was making sure you didn’t mean ‘pulled’.

I’ll bump this thread, again, in the morning.


51 posted on 04/30/2020 9:52:34 PM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: Jane Long

I took myself off of it about 15 years ago. Regret that now ; )
My rheumatologist was not happy.

Do you know how much zinc your friend takes?


52 posted on 04/30/2020 10:23:59 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!)
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To: LisaFab

bbb


53 posted on 04/30/2020 11:31:55 PM PDT by thinden
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To: SeekAndFind

How much further ahead of this virus would we be if PDJT had not followed Fauci and Birx advise.


54 posted on 05/01/2020 1:40:01 AM PDT by eartick (Stupidity is expecting the government that broke itself to go out and fix itself. Texan for TEXIT!)
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To: MrEdd
HCQ can have side effects which are severe in some patients.

How many "out of 65,000 chronic Lupus patients" mentioned in the article had these severe side effects?


55 posted on 05/01/2020 6:23:52 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Die-ggl,TWT,FCBK,NYT,WPo,Hwd,CNN,NFL,BLM,CAIR,Antf,SPLC,ESPN,NPR,NBA,ARP,MSNBC)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Wouldn’t people who were on long term maintenance already when the virus hit be people whose doctors would have changed their medications to something else earlier if they had a reaction?

The 65000 people in the Italian article by definition would already have been screened before going on hydroxychloroquine.


56 posted on 05/01/2020 6:43:22 PM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: Right Wing Assault
How many "out of 65,000 chronic Lupus patients" mentioned in the article had these severe side effects?

This was fake news. The reporter for the article in Il Tempo got the facts completely wrong, and was corrected by the head of the Italian Society of Rheumatology:

We are sorry to inform you that the journalist has misrepresented what we have communicated to him and that there is no investigation into patients using hydroxychloroquine in Italy.

In the Register of the Italian Society of Rheumatology (CONTROL-19) 150 patients with rheumatological pathologies are included and of these 20 took hydroxychloroquine.

Unfortunately, we are receiving many similar risks, as the publication of the aforementioned article has created much confusion.

Trusting that we have clarified the misunderstanding, we send our best regards,

Luigi Sinigaglia - President of SIR


57 posted on 05/01/2020 10:01:11 PM PDT by TChad (The MSM, having nuked its own credibility, is now bombing the rubble.)
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To: MrEdd
The 65000 people in the Italian article...

Fake news. See post #57.

58 posted on 05/01/2020 10:02:48 PM PDT by TChad (The MSM, having nuked its own credibility, is now bombing the rubble.)
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To: TChad
Where is a link to the Luigi Sinigaglia comments?


59 posted on 05/02/2020 4:36:09 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Die-ggl,TWT,FCBK,NYT,WPo,Hwd,CNN,NFL,BLM,CAIR,Antf,SPLC,ESPN,NPR,NBA,ARP,MSNBC)
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To: Right Wing Assault
Where is a link to the Luigi Sinigaglia comments?

They are in a comment by "Will Bailey" below the Il Tempo.it article that started this mess. They are in Italian.

https://www.iltempo.it/salute/2020/04/28/news/coronavirus-farmaci-efficaci-news-danni-cura-annalisa-chiusolo-artrite-terapia-idrossiclorochina-sars-cov2-1321227/

60 posted on 05/02/2020 4:35:17 PM PDT by TChad (The MSM, having nuked its own credibility, is now bombing the rubble.)
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