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Roman history in Spain: The search for Hannibal's elephants on the Tagus River
El Pais in English ^ | April 20, 2020 | Vicente G. Olaya, tr by Heather Galloway

Posted on 04/30/2020 6:30:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

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View of the Tagus River from the Caraca archeological site in Driebes, Guadalajara. Equipo arqueologico de Caraca

View of the Tagus River from the Caraca archeological site in Driebes, Guadalajara. Equipo arqueologico de Caraca

1 posted on 04/30/2020 6:30:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

I know elephants live for a long time, but I think they’re all dead by now.


2 posted on 04/30/2020 6:32:01 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Gone but not forgiven.)
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To: SunkenCiv

But did Hannibal have Woozles with the Heffalumps?
And how did they get B.A. on the plane?


3 posted on 04/30/2020 6:35:01 PM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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4 posted on 04/30/2020 6:36:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Blmk


5 posted on 04/30/2020 6:37:35 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!)
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To: MrEdd

They tricked B.A. every time


6 posted on 04/30/2020 6:38:01 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: reg45
I know elephants live for a long time, but I think they’re all dead by now.

Well!

Aren’t you the wet blanket at this party!

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7 posted on 04/30/2020 6:40:12 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: SunkenCiv

why were the carhthegenians in spain instead of crossing to france or not sicily?


8 posted on 04/30/2020 6:46:39 PM PDT by stuckincali
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To: SunkenCiv

The story of Hannibal is quite interesting. Ultimately he was defeated because politicians decided who and where he would battle.


9 posted on 04/30/2020 6:47:54 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Fauci wants you to believe that you get covid-19 and you die. It's fear mongering at its worst.)
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To: reg45

LOL


10 posted on 04/30/2020 6:51:40 PM PDT by dp0622 (Radicals, racists dloont point fingers at me I'm a small town white boy Just tryin to make ends meet)
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To: reg45

**I know elephants live for a long time, but I think they’re all dead by now.**

Oh, ya can’t be too sure. There might be some that escaped to Argentina, in order to avoid being tried for war crimes.


11 posted on 04/30/2020 6:52:00 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

after the huge defeat of Roman legions at Cannae, all Hannibal had to do was march on Rome. But he was short on supplies and reinforcement and didn’t advance. Which politicians decided where he would go next?


12 posted on 04/30/2020 6:52:05 PM PDT by stuckincali
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Really? Don’t know much about him but i thought he answered to nobody.

Like a Napoleon.

or maybe Napoleon answered to somebody also.

My history is awful :)


13 posted on 04/30/2020 6:53:16 PM PDT by dp0622 (Radicals, racists dloont point fingers at me I'm a small town white boy Just tryin to make ends meet)
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To: stuckincali

The started trading colonies in Spain some 100 years or so before Hannibal.


14 posted on 04/30/2020 6:57:02 PM PDT by Reily
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Probably because the romans influence was less than closer to italy. I saw amp which showed larger geographic ares for the carthegenians in spring but not francs.


15 posted on 04/30/2020 6:58:58 PM PDT by stuckincali
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Hannibal underestimated the Romans. After Cannae, he expected the Romans to react sensibly and seek terms, like any rational city state of that era would do. Instead, the Romans closed their gates and raised new legions. The amazing thing is that all the Italian states allied to Rome, many of them fairly recent Roman conquests, remained loyal. The Romans had an astonishing ability to turn defeated opponents into allies, then eventually citizens. In the case of the Punic Wars, that Carthaginian thing about sacrificing children to Moloch probably played a role. The Romans were tough hombres, but some things were beyond the pale.


16 posted on 04/30/2020 7:02:04 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: stuckincali

When the Roman general Scipio landed in North Africa, the leaders of Carthage recalled Hannibal from Italy to defend the home city.


17 posted on 04/30/2020 7:03:06 PM PDT by Tallguy (Facts be d@mned! The narrative must be protected at all costs!))
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To: stuckincali

I’m pretty sure he was recalled to Carthage to defend it against the Romans who had decided to attack Carthage instead of continuing his harassment of Rome.


18 posted on 04/30/2020 7:03:35 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Fauci wants you to believe that you get covid-19 and you die. It's fear mongering at its worst.)
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To: stuckincali

But it’s been nearly 30 years since I had Western Civ.


19 posted on 04/30/2020 7:05:16 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Fauci wants you to believe that you get covid-19 and you die. It's fear mongering at its worst.)
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20 posted on 04/30/2020 7:10:23 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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