Understanding how Sweden reports its coronavirus figures

The Local SE ^ | April 14, 2020 | Catherine Edwards

[FreedomNotSafety]

Different countries report coronavirus cases and deaths in different ways, which can easily lead to confusion and makes comparing the situation complicated. Here's a look at what you need to know in order to understand how the Swedish figures are reported.

[FreedomNotSafety]

"The statistics show the number of people in Sweden who have died with Covid-19. That's everyone who has died after testing positive for the virus; it doesn't mean that the virus itself was a cause of death for all these cases.

"Sweden gets this data because its system of social security numbers (personnummer) means that all deaths are registered in a centralised system. Then the Public Health Agency can check with regions (in Sweden it's the individual regions which are responsible for healthcare) which of these deaths were people with the coronavirus -- of course, this is only possible if the deceased people were tested for the virus.

"This is different from how other countries report their death tolls. Some countries such as France also include deaths from nursing homes, a change to their figures that was made on April 2nd. Other countries, including Spain, Italy and England, currently only include deaths that take place inside hospitals in the official tolls.

"It's currently hard to say which countries' death tolls give the most accurate picture, since this will also be influenced by factors such as testing rates."

For everyone who uses the "case fatality rat" to promote Chicken Freeper hysteria.

[FreedomNotSafety]

rat = rate

[DoughtyOne]

That’s it?

That’s your big gun?

Smile...

So this tells you that no comparisons can’t be made between
Sweden, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, Norway,
Spain, or the U. K.?

That’s what I thought.

[FreedomNotSafety]

“So this tells you that no comparisons can’t be made between
Sweden, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, Norway,
Spain, or the U. K.?

“That’s what I thought.”

But you will proceed to make the comparison anyway. Never let facts get in the way of scaremongering “case fatality rate”.

[DoughtyOne]

Scaremongering?

I didn’t declare that Sweden had the best idea.

I didn’t declare that it’s plan was the worst either.

I merely offered up the comparisons and let folks figure
it out for themselves.

Tell me genius, why are Sweden’s neighbors unhappy with them
since no numbers matter?

The world community is discussing Sweden. Why?

According to you, there’s no metric to judge Sweden by.

This just doesn’t dawn on you does it.

If Sweden’s count is less than other nations, all that
tells us is that perhaps some numbers might need to be
bumped up a bit. And when that happens, guess what...

Sweden is then now worse or no better than other nations.

Nope, you totally dismiss Sweden because we just can’t
compare. Well, there’s a whole lot of comparing going on
out there. Perhaps you missed it.

[MAGAthon]

AUDIO: 13m02s: 26 Apr: 3AW: Luke Grant: “Effects of the lockdown are worse than the virus”: The real dangers of COVID-19 could still be ahead of us
Is it really better to be safe than sorry? A leading UK pathology professor warns us that the ramifications of a country going into lockdown could cause more damage than Coronavirus.
Professor John Lee is a writer for the UK Spectator, a retired professor of pathology and a former NHS consultant and he joined Luke Grant on Australia Overnight to give some perspective on the further reaching effects of COVID-19.
“The trouble with it is that they (government) have erred on the side of better ‘safe than sorry’… it’s a general principle of medicine, that when you’re giving a treatment to people, first do no harm.”

Professor Lee shines light on the fact that nations have overestimated the dangers of, and underestimated the danger of a population going into lockdown.
“The lockdown has side effects. From the economic side effects, from direct health side effects… people aren’t accessing health care, to health problems that were storing up for the future like people not coming in for their cancer screenings, not presenting themselves early enough when they have got chest pains for heart attacks.”

Professor Lee also touches on the murky origins of Coronavirus and if we may ever have a cure for the deadly disease.
https://www.3aw.com.au/podcast/effects-of-the-lockdown-are-worse-than-the-virus-the-real-dangers-of-covid-19-could-still-be-ahead-of-us/

[DoughtyOne]

I was just mentioning the economic carnage that is taking
place in families right now. Economic problems are one
of the leading causes of divorce. A lot of things spin
off that, parents, custodial judgements, children without
a dad or the mom in the home. Those sorts of things follow
kids for a lifetime.

Kids are screwed up. Adults are screwed up. Communities
are impacted. I think you’ve touched on an important
aspect of this.

Thanks.

[FreedomNotSafety]

I dismissed the entire article. Case fatality is a worthless statistic.

Sweden us being criticized for the same reason Wyoming is being criticized.

[norwaypinesavage]

"People who are especially at-risk due to factors such as old age or underlying conditions may not be admitted to intensive care if doctors judge that they would be unlikely to survive the treatment"

That's better known as a "Death Panel" for rationing treatments. Socialism always necessitates rationing for all government services.

[FreedomNotSafety]

What do you think flattening the curve is about? It is about rationing because it too limits the number of people being treated. It is a more acceptable form of rationing because it spreads out the death count overtime making it less scary the taking the deaths in a more compressed time frame.

[norwaypinesavage]

"What do you think flattening the curve is about?"

"Flattening the curve" means EVERYONE gets treated. Rationing health care means increasing the number of deaths by denying treatment to some.

[FreedomNotSafety]

In the U.S., how many of the patients whose prospects for recovery are grim are getting futile treatment paid for by the government? I have always wondered how many would be getting said care of their family was paying for it?

Let’s say a 98 year old relative with numerous issues contracts and is now dying from the added complications of Corona, assuming you have the funds, how much would you personally pay for their treatment?

[FreedomNotSafety]

Yes but it doesn’t mean they get treated all at once does it? The care is rationed because it restricts the number of people being treated at any given time.

How many lives are saved by this form of rationing? This form of rationing has been paid for by a wrecked economy that will also have a death toll which will not be accounted for and an incalculable coast taken by the degradation of our liberties.

[norwaypinesavage]

" assuming you have the funds, how much would you personally pay for their treatment?"

I recently went through that EXACT situation with both of my parents, aged 89 and 94. The answer was: "everything possible". It was hundreds of $thousands.

[FreedomNotSafety]

You paid for it out of pocket? Or the government paid for it?

[norwaypinesavage]

You simply are not comprehending what I am writing. I did. Medicare’s measly payments were comparatively negligible.

[FreedomNotSafety]

Good for you, did they survive?

[norwaypinesavage]

No, both had Alzheimer’s disease.

[FreedomNotSafety]

My sympathies and prayers for you. I admire and respect your decision.

[norwaypinesavage]

Thank you