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Emirates A380 dipped below 400ft as crew mistakenly chased glideslope
FLIGHTGLOBAL ^ | 19 April 2020 | David Kaminski-Morrow

Posted on 04/19/2020 6:00:26 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

Investigators have determined that an Emirates Airbus A380 descended far below the glideslope at Moscow Domodedovo after its crew entered a rapid descent, erroneously believing the jet was too high for the correct approach path.

It descended to 504ft above ground – with a rate of descent of 1,600ft/min – while still some 7.4nm from the threshold of runway 14R, in darkness, before the crew executed a go-around.

The A380 lost a further 109ft, dipping to just 395ft, before climbing away, the aircraft’s ground-proximity warning system having sounded ‘terrain’ and ‘pull up’ alerts.

This instrument reading had been false, because the aircraft was still outside of the zone of reliability for ILS signals and, as a result, was receiving noisy and inaccurate ILS data.

Investigators state that the crew also subsequently aborted a second approach before the aircraft landed on its third attempt.

(Excerpt) Read more at flightglobal.com ...


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Not looking like ants, those are ants!!!

@395 AGL

1 posted on 04/19/2020 6:00:26 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Altitude is your friend!


2 posted on 04/19/2020 6:01:20 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

3 posted on 04/19/2020 6:02:55 PM PDT by tinyowl
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Airbus relies on lots of technology and the A380 is a almost fly-by-itself aircraft. Something sounds really off about this. Makes me wonder if one pilot was in controlled the other had to take over to avert a crash.


4 posted on 04/19/2020 6:04:22 PM PDT by devane617 (Kyrie Eleison, where I'm going, will you follow?)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
Camel jockeys.
 
5 posted on 04/19/2020 6:04:33 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (Guide me, O thou great redeemer, pilgrim through this barren land.)
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Lucky for them, it’s dead ass flat on the approach to DME.


6 posted on 04/19/2020 6:04:35 PM PDT by Regulator
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The A380 lost a further 109ft, dipping to just 395ft, before climbing away, the aircraft’s ground-proximity warning system having sounded ‘terrain’ and ‘pull up’ alerts.

...

Back in the days before that safety feature, they would have crashed.


7 posted on 04/19/2020 6:04:42 PM PDT by Moonman62 (http://www.freerepublic.com/~moonman62/)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

For all airframes, it is no less sad and no less tragic that most aircraft involved in accidents are outside of the US, and are overwhelming piloted by non US crews, for what ever reasons.

Accident histories for airframes are posted on line.


8 posted on 04/19/2020 6:05:52 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie ( Stop the fearmongering! Post flu statistics along side COVID-19 statistics!)
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As I remember it, nothing good ever happens in Russian airspace...


9 posted on 04/19/2020 6:06:02 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is Sam Adams now that we desperately need him)
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To: Regulator

Sounds like a pilot was pushing down...The other took over. the A380 has so muchtlech that you would be required to override lots of stuff to do this.


10 posted on 04/19/2020 6:08:01 PM PDT by devane617 (Kyrie Eleison, where I'm going, will you follow?)
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To: Moonman62
Which came first ... ILS or TAWS? No ILS, no problem here.

Side note: Boeing must be happy to not-be-the-last-tech-problem.

11 posted on 04/19/2020 6:08:14 PM PDT by tinyowl
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The wing span is only 282 feet.
Horie Krap!


12 posted on 04/19/2020 6:10:26 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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Wow... In direct accordance with the plot of one of the Die Hard movies. (Right?)


13 posted on 04/19/2020 6:19:17 PM PDT by golux (In Memory of Kenny Bunk)
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To: monkeyshine

I always said that a good instrument approach/landing is made or screwed up 3 miles outside the marker.

In a light twin, at 3 miles outside the marker the aircraft should be established at the proper altitude for intercept, exactly at approach speed. Power set, props set, flaps at approach setting, lights extended... check list complete except for gear down so that all that remains at the marker is to drop the gear and slide right down the glide slope.

Too high, too hot mixed with wind shear or turbulence and things can get too exciting.

With a jet, all of the above is even more important (minus setting the props).

Wonder what the actual weather conditions were. Did they miss the second attempt because they were too shook up or was the weather below minimums. Either would have a lot to say about their competence.


14 posted on 04/19/2020 6:32:12 PM PDT by old curmudgeon (There is no situation so terrible, so disgraceful, that the federal government can not make worse)
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That will leave some skid marks. In your pants.


15 posted on 04/19/2020 6:33:35 PM PDT by McGruff (Freedom is contagious.)
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To: tinyowl

I got a kick out of your cartoon.

I have my own version of that.

Years ago I was flying a customer home from a sales trip. He lived in an area known for its lakes...TVA area in east TN.

It was about 11:00 PM but a beautiful dark night.

We were pretty close to his home airport descending through as I recall 6,500 when we heard a loud bang behind the cabin.

I looked over my shoulder at the fellow sitting behind me thinking to ask him if he had dropped something on the floor but he beat me to it and said “It wasn’t me”.

So knowing the habits of ducks and geese, I said that it must have been a duck.

The fellow sitting beside me, a great friend and customer but always tried to keep me on the defensive said “How do you know it was a duck”?.

To which I replied:

“Well if it isn’t a duck, we sure are f**ked up.”

Silence from there to the ramp.

A quick look with the flashlight....blood on the vertical stabilizer.


16 posted on 04/19/2020 6:51:57 PM PDT by old curmudgeon (There is no situation so terrible, so disgraceful, that the federal government can not make worse)
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At least the crew heeded the GPWS alerts and acted on them. Listen to the CVR of Flying Tiger 66 and it’s absolutely amazing how alert after alert was ignored. Someone eventually wised up, but it was too late. You hear someone say “S**t!” a moment before impact. No survivors.


17 posted on 04/19/2020 7:16:55 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (In time of peace, prepare for war.)
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Wow, this shows crew incompetence at so many levels, including company SOPs.


18 posted on 04/19/2020 7:29:42 PM PDT by zipper (In their heart of hearts, all Democrats are communists.)
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Good thing it wasnt a Boeing.


19 posted on 04/19/2020 7:35:25 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Be strong & prosper, be weak & die! Stay true.... ~~ Donald J. Trump)
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The official altitude of Moscow is 512 feet; parts of the city are as high as 837 feet.


20 posted on 04/19/2020 8:04:10 PM PDT by PAR35
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