Posted on 04/17/2020 4:32:46 PM PDT by edwinland
Please explain your anti-Israel is not anti-Semitic.
One can oppose the actions of the state of Israel for reasons other than animus toward Jews - just as one can oppose illegal immigration for reasons other than animus toward Latinos.
Interesting. Of course, I’ve known this for a while and while I find Waters and Gilmore reprehensible, I still listen to PF, the best stuff being from before Dark Side. I can also listen to Brian Eno although he is another MoonBat.
On the other hand, no more Ronstadt or Springsteen. Including one of my favorite combinations, the three albums of Ronstadt and the Nelson Riddle Orchestra. No more !
And just why are you anti Isreal?
I call out people who jump from 'you criticized Israel' to 'you're anti-Semitic' because it's a false logic - and one often used against conservatives, e.g. 'You oppose illegal immigration, so you must be anti-Latino.'
Interesting. I have exactly the approach. I still listen to PF and love Dark Side and before. I don’t think about Roger Waters when I listen. But Springsteen is so annoyingly superior and preachy, it somehow comes through in voice no matter what he’s singing.
oh man...
“Whereas classical anti-Semitism is aimed at the Jewish people or the Jewish religion, “new anti-Semitism” is aimed at the Jewish state. Since this anti-Semitism can hide behind the veneer of legitimate criticism of Israel, it is more difficult to expose. Making the task even harder is that this hatred is advanced in the name of values most of us would consider unimpeachable, such as human rights.
“Nevertheless, we must be clear and outspoken in exposing the new anti-Semitism. I believe that we can apply a simple test – I call it the “3D” test – to help us distinguish legitimate criticism of Israel from anti-Semitism.
“The first “D” is the test of demonization. When the Jewish state is being demonized; when Israel’s actions are blown out of all sensible proportion; when comparisons are made between Israelis and Nazis and between Palestinian refugee camps and Auschwitz – this is anti- Semitism, not legitimate criticism of Israel.
“The second “D” is the test of double standards. When criticism of Israel is applied selectively; when Israel is singled out by the United Nations for human rights abuses while the behavior of known and major abusers, such as China, Iran, Cuba, and Syria, is ignored; when Israel’s Magen David Adom, alone among the world’s ambulance services, is denied admission to the International Red Cross – this is anti-Semitism.
“The third “D” is the test of delegitimization: when Israel’s fundamental right to exist is denied – alone among all peoples in the world – this too is anti-Semitism.”
—Natan Sharansky, “3D Test of Anti-Semitism: Demonization, Double Standards, Delegitimization”
I’m in full agreement with the third D test when it actually applies. And it sometimes does; for instance, some Muslims say flat out that Israel ought not exist (usually when addressing a receptive audience, such as fellow Muslims).
The first two D tests sound plausible - demonization and double standards are logically illegitimate, and no reasonable person of good will engages in them. However, those tactics are leveled at many targets that have at best a tangential relationship to Jews and Israel: every GOP president since Reagan; pro-lifers; etc. So when those same tactics are leveled against Israel, it simply doesn’t follow that anti-Semitism is the only possible explanation - although I agree it makes that explanation more likely.
Misleading headline, Waters was no longer in PF and therefore the headline misleads readers.
True. But these days I’m amazed when a headline actually describes the article it headlines.
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