Hydroxychloroquine doesn’t help patients with coronavirus, French study finds (This study chose patients already with hypoxic pneumonia)

CNN via KTLA ^ | 04/14/2020

[stars & stripes forever]

The didn’t do the drug cocktail.

[BookmanTheJanitor]

“This provides evidence that hydroxychloroquine does not apparently treat patients with Covid 19,” said Dr. Paul Offit, an infectious disease specialist at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. “Even worse, there were side effects caused by the drug — heart toxicities that required it be discontinued.”

Pretty sure Offit is the big Pharma/vaccine guy that said that babies could take up to 10,000 vaccines at once.

[Widget Jr]

ATTENTION: The title of article does not match what the authors of the study wrote!

“These results do not support the use of [hydroxychloroquine] in patients hospitalised for documented SARSCoV-2-positive hypoxic pneumonia,” the study authors wrote.

Abstract: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.10.20060699v1

"We used data collected from routine care of all adults in 4 French hospitals with documented SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia and requiring oxygen"

The study itself: No evidence of clinical efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients hospitalised for COVID-19 infection and requiring oxygen: results of a study using routinely collected data to emulate a target trial

Which fits with what the non-clinical results are showing. People who have more extreme cases of Covid-19 and have addtional conditions that make Covid-19 worse, are at the most risk of dying no matter what is done. AFAIK, anyone advocated HQL supports early detection and treatment becuase by the time it gets to the oxygen/ventilator stage it is likely too late.

This study does not refute the early use of HQL as its medical supporters advocate, despite what the title and tone of the article implies.

I am getting so tired with journalists, left and right wing, pretending to be academic experts when they are not, deliberately misrepresenting sources knowing most people won't check, and trying to fit what they do not understand into political narratives. Then turning around and treating anyone who does not go along with the informed ignorance they are trying to manufacture.

OK, I am definitely suffering from Stage II Stir Crazy and Stage II Cabin Fever right now.

[SeekAndFind]

Thank you for supporting everything I wrote in Post #11 above, you said it even better than me.

[oldplayer]

-—”The only surefire treatment is the election of brain-dead Biden. He wins, the virus disappears the next day.”-—

Not so fast,there. LOL Biden was Obama’s man for finding a cancer cure. Still waiting!

[Governor Dinwiddie]

#21: "The didn’t do the drug cocktail."

Bingo. It's not a single drug. It is regimen involving 3 drugs: HCQ + Azithromycin + Zinc.

They all three have to be taken together over the course of the treatment. It is best to follow this regimen.
 

[ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton]

IT HAS ZERO PERCENT RECOVERY in people who are already dead.

[Robert DeLong]

Once they hit hypoxia they have moments left to live. How ere they able to even administer HCQ? Answer: they weren't, organ failure was already in process and damage already in full swing. Death followed immediately after.

Talk about a flawed study.

Hypoxia is a condition in which the body or a region of the body is deprived of adequate oxygen supply at the tissue level. Hypoxia may be classified as either generalized, affecting the whole body, or local, affecting a region of the body.

[Revel]

You won’t see CNN report this from France:

Professor Didier Raoult Releases the Results of a New Hydroxychloroquine Treatment Study on 1061 Patients

The new study, of which the abstract was released today, was performed at IHU Méditerranée Infection, Marseille, France.

http://covexit.com/professor-didier-raoult-releases-the-results-of-a-new-hydroxychloroquine-treatment-study-on-1061-patients/

[freeandfreezing]

Here is the study

[bigbob]

I’m not an MD but I can read, and everything I’ve read says HCQ does the most good when given as early in the progress of the disease as possible. And the reasons why make sense.

[freeandfreezing]

The patients were in very serious condition when they entered the study:

"Most of the patients included in this study had an inflammatory syndrome defined by C-reactive-protein higher than 40 mg/l, which suggests that a cytokine storm syndrome had already begun."

[ironman]

TrumpPill and Zinc Mechanism of Action

https://youtu.be/S6kPUFseTWQ

[crz]

And yet today, there was a French Dr on with Dr Oz-whom I aint no fan of but wife is, that siad it works if taken at the right time.

Of those that died, he said that it was to late since they were already on ventilators.

[dangus]

>> Looking just at deaths, 2.8% of the patients who took hydroxychloroquine died, and 4.6% of the patients who did not take it died. That difference was also not found to be statistically significant. <<

So, you design a study with an impossibly small sample size, and when the HCQ cuts the death rate by 40%, you claim that the reduction is “statistically insignificant.”

[xkaydet65]

There are conjectures by doctors that this is not really a respiratory disease. That it attacks the red blood cell ability to transport oxygen, causing something similar to high altitude hypoxia.

[freeandfreezing]

The data from the successful French studies show that.

Results here

[SeekAndFind]

RE: Of those that died, he said that it was to late since they were already on ventilators.

That’s exactly what was said in this thread. See Post #11 and Post #23 and also Post #28

The title : “Hydroxychloroquine doesn’t help patients with coronavirus”

Is designed to mislead

[ifinnegan]

“Looking just at deaths, 2.8% of the patients who took hydroxychloroquine died, and 4.6% of the patients who did not take it died. That difference was also not found to be statistically significant.”

So 1.6 fold more survived when taking the drug.

Drugs can approved on that.

Most conclusions would be a lager cohort is needed.

[TexasGator]

Thanks. The study concluded that basically it is to late for these patient unless we find a miracle drug.