Posted on 04/12/2020 9:21:04 AM PDT by Hojczyk
A phlebotomist working at Roseland Community Hospital said Thursday that 30% to 50% of patients tested for the coronavirus have antibodies while only around 10% to 20% of those tested have the active virus.
Sumaya Owaynat, a phlebotomy technician, said she tests between 400 and 600 patients on an average day in the parking lot at Roseland Community Hospital. Drive-thru testing is from 9 a.m. to noon and 1 to 4 p.m. each day. However, the hospital has a limited number of tests they can give per day.
Owaynat said the number of patients coming through the testing center who appear to have already had coronavirus and gotten over it is far greater than those who currently have the disease.
“A lot of people have high antibodies, which means they had the coronavirus but they don’t have it anymore and their bodies built the antibodies,” Owaynat told Chicago City Wire.
Antibodies in the bloodstream reveal that a person has already had the coronavirus and may be immune to contracting the virus again.
If accurate, this means the spread of the virus may have been underway in the Roseland community - and the state and country as a whole - prior to the issuance of stay at home orders and widespread business closures in mid-March which have crippled the national economy.
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Two wrongs don’t make a right. I await high level confirmation of this worker’s statement.
Or, there may be a high rate of false positives.
“If accurate, this means the spread of the virus may have been underway in the Roseland community - and the state and country as a whole - prior to the issuance of stay at home orders and widespread business closures in mid-March which have crippled the national economy.”
Or it could mean that lockdown hasn’t worked as thought.
Or that it did work, but not as thought — maybe minimizing dose size of the virus produces an asymptomatic response.
Or...
“I doubt this is accurate. If it is true, I expect a high level official to tell this to us, not a nobody.”
Yeah, it doesn’t make sense. It’s also unclear. So they are testing everyone for infection and antibodies, so that some people are both?
Also, they research study done on the German town showed 14%, and that was a town hit harder and earlier than Chicago.
Naw a high level person won’t tell you this bc - it is anecdotal; they haven’t done blind placebo studies on it for 18 months and then a second follow-up one for another 5 years.
Maybe the ‘nobodies’ on the front lines are the ones who are really seeing accurately, and the Ivory Tower computer modelers are the ones living in the Land of Make-Believe.
Well they told this is essentially spreading like a California wild fire and we didn’t start the response soon enough. If that is true then it follows that most everybody in the country has been infected. But the hospitals are not over run and the death toll is not overwhelming.
IMHO we are past the crux and most Americans have already been exposed and developed antibodies making them immune.
I don’t know. I had my blood drawn at Kaiser a couple of months ago, and I’d say it took about a minute. I mean she was fast. 4 little vials. Push, pull, click, click, you’re done.
How long did the paperwork take? My last blood draw the paperwork was easily three times the length of the draw.
There wasn’t any paperwork; it was scheduled. I walked in, sat down in the waiting area for maybe 5 minutes, they called my name, went into a room with maybe 5 or 6 stations or booths, and she went to work.
In other words, the person doing the draw was just doing draws, or so it seemed.
This technician is not doing serological testing. Has NO basis for making such a statement. It may be true it may not
There are currently two studies in California that are based on serological testing of patients who tested negative for flu from Nov to Feb. it called ILI.... influenza like illness
Interesting thanks.
The FDA approved a quick test for emergency use on April 2.
I doubt it was available immediately in hospitals, but it gives results in 15 minutes, Testing for immunoglobulin G and M. You can read the fact sheet here,
https://www.fda.gov/media/136623/download
I tried to find if there was any published data on this device but didn’t go deep. I’ll keep looking
IgG + IgM testing has been available through other manufacturers and seems to be valid for testing for active or recent infection when the virus has had time to produce an antibody response (4-10 days) It doesn’t differentiate whether it is current or recent or in the past.
More info here https://aytubio.com/covid-19/
The Cellex test is the only one currently approved by the FDA
A phlebotomist working at Roseland Community Hospital said Thursday that 30% to 50% of patients tested for the coronavirus have antibodies while only around 10% to 20% of those tested have the active virus.
So 40 to 70% have been infected and have antibodies or active virus.
The herd impact is about there.
I don’t know. I had my blood drawn at Kaiser a couple of months ago, and I’d say it took about a minute. I mean she was fast. 4 little vials. Push, pull, click, click, you’re done.
Sometimes Kaiser will text you, your results before you get home.
This report is indicating that possibly many people who are respecting quarantine may actually not have anything to worry if they got a big viral load.
In my non-medical opinion, NYC virus victims were probably quickly building up little loads in shoulder-to-shoulder pedestrian traffic, loads that built up faster than their bodies could make antibodies.
On the other hand, just because you’re immune to the virus may not mean you’re not still spreading it around with your hands, helping others to get sick.
I still say that people need to get tested for antibodies before they get vaccinated for virus so researchers can get a better idea how contagious the virus actually is. Herd immunity may be part of the remedy.
Corrections, insights welcome.
What has Free Republic come to? We are literally crawling with apologists for tyrannical police state policies. We might want to divide into two caucuses: The Slave Republic Caucus and the Free Republic Caucus.
Amen. Such gobshite. Everyone needs to get back to work. We have HCQ, z-pack and zinc. Enough of the BS already.
It’s like people want it to be bad. Seeming to be cheering for more deaths and restrictions.
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