Posted on 04/10/2020 5:31:24 AM PDT by Hojczyk
They tell you to hunker down. How long are we supposed to hunker down until?" asked Levin, who made clear that he was not questioning the sincerity of Fauci and Birx's efforts to fight the virus.
"What happens after we are done hunkering down?" Levin went on. "Doesn't that mean millions of people never had the virus because they successfully hunkered down? Doesn't that mean millions of people will be highly susceptible to getting it again or getting it the first time? They are not developing an immunity.
Don't you really mean mitigation today eliminates the herd immunity necessary for this society to kill the virus broadly once and for all?" the conservative radio host asked. "Isn't this why you say, 'In the future don't shake hands?' Aren't you really saying, 'In the future, don't touch surfaces, doorknobs, tabletops,' because you know that shaking hands is fine if both people have had the virus, but if somebody has it and somebody doesn't, that virus will be obviously traveling along?"
Levin added that the mitigation strategy doesn't account for the economic impact the virus is having, telling host Sean Hannity that the widespread assumption among politicians and medical experts is that the business community cannot "walk and chew gum at the same time."
"Why aren't you issuing guidelines to states and localities that help them [stay open]? There [are] thousands of small businesses, medium-sized businesses ... who can mitigate and remain open," he said.
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I'd expect it to mutate. I'd plan on it vs assuming that it doesn't a be caught off guard. Clearly we were caught off guard by covid. The same people were caught off guard are telling us to not worry about mutations.
We need to plan for the worst case scenario. Covid, or the next nasty bug, will be a continual reoccurance. This is the real world.
And with this knowledge, how do we move forward?
1. reduce the risk to high risk individuals.
2. minimize our exposure.
3. get back to work and get our economy back on track.
4. plan for deaths of people that we know and love. Family and friends.
5. get back to work, ramp our economy ASAP.
“When you flatten the curve, it doubles in length (time). The total deaths under the line are the same.”
Ah, the fact that seems to escape most people, and the fact that no one in authority seems to want the people to know.
There is only one way to stop a respiratory virus such as this, and that is through herd immunity. Whether that is through a vaccine or good ole natural herd immunity, it does not change the fact that it can only be stopped by herd immunity.
For me and mine? I select good ole natural herd immunity, you can keep the cocktail of not even God knows what.
There is some classic audio on the internet from a Pirates-Brewers game at PNC Park about twelve years ago. Bob Uecker is supposed to be describing the game to the folks back in Milwaukee, but he just can’t stop talking about the Furries camping out in his hotel. His descriptions were priceless!
If this country doesn’t open up its economy and get rolling soon, Trump is going to begin losing voters.
He can’t let a couple doctors of questionable allegiance and eggheads at the U of Washington control our economic activity.
We were told that the purpose of the shutdown was to prevent “overwhelming the hospitals”. It would seem that threat, if it ever actually existed, has passed.
Open the economy and get people back to work today. Not tomorrow, today.
He gets several points, but does have a miss as well.
During the shutdown, I think most people have gotten the idea that they need to take this seriously, and have been more widely conscious of what they do that could spread the disease - so after it is over, yes, hopefully individual behaviors will substantially mitigate COVID’s spread without actual quarantine.
Hopefully treatment will also be much better after both lots of examples and some time to consider what has actually been effective.
I have four questions I’d like to ask.
What made Covid-19 so different from previous viral outbreaks that measures never instituted before in the entire history of the country, including during the Spanish Flu pandemic one hundred years ago, were necessary this time?
What criteria must be met in order for a new virus to trigger such measures again in the future?
What is the likelihood that such criteria will be met and the same measures repeated when a new virus emerges in the future?
What preparations to better deal with a similar outbreak will be put in place, such as stockpiling supplies, creating a specific watchdog group to monitor events overseas and recommend travel bans, close assisted living centers to visitors, etc?
Agree. Political suicide for Trump.
He ran against The Swamp and elitist D.C. bureaucrats who don’t give a rat’s arse about people with real jobs in flyover country.
He can’t therefore let those people continue to run the show.
The #1 duty of POTUS is COTUS.
You’re saying that Fauci wouldn’t have made any recommendation for up-front mitigation in December, and you may be right.
But then, he wouldn’t argue for enabling Levin’s limited operations, either, by the same logic.
In both cases, however, guidelines and planned response put the decision making into the hands of the executive. Fauci and the medicos are limited to guidance, and the President has options. I think this would be an improvement. Trump is on the side of American business and has good instincts. He is not well served by the Swamp, but more latitude for him, would help.
When you flatten the curve, it doubles in length (time). The total deaths under the line are the same.
Clearly they are trying to create different conditions, which the flattening the curve allows both not creating the condition of patients not being able to be treated and dying en masse at a much higher rate per illness, and new treatments to be developed, assessed, and improved in that additional time.
Gosh, I hope she make me wear the “cone” or a leash.
I can’t even take my dog to get groomed! That shop is closed, too.
I can take him to the vet’s groomer, but they’re only taking limited appointments.
I may have to break the clipper out....for hubby and the dog....lol.
It’s the High Holy Days for many religions. And too many secular powers are dictating that the religious not gather for a day to celebrate a religious “gathering” that is integral to their religion. We are turning into a nation of Sheeple, letting the “powers that be”, many of whom do not have our best interests at heart, dictate the minutiae of our lives. I for one am thoroughly sick of it.
One day this nightmare destruction of our way of life and our economy is going to come to an abrupt end, and that day is soon if President Trump has something to do with it, and he does. It may very well happen all at once. Does that mean the next day when people gather throughout our Country again, that suddenly all at once, it is all right to once again gather, because that is exactly what is going to happen. Not okay one day, okay the next.
Right now we are all being channeled into the few places that are still open, such as the grocery stores as we must eat, right? So we are herded all together into places like Walmart and the like, where we can all infect each other or catch the virus off of all of the stocked food/supplies on the shelves where the virus can live for hours. What fools we are to think that by just wearing a mask, or avoiding each other like the plague is going to save us all from the virus when there is a multitude of ways one can contract it.
Our Country, just like all the other countries around the world, will have to once again mill about with our fellow man, as no economy can sustain closing down for months on end. Let the virus play itself out, as all of them do, take necessary precautions in your own lives to minimize its effects to you and your loved ones, but for heaven sakes don’t destroy your own Country, cause infinitely more pain to your fellow man by destroying livelihoods, causing physical and mental pain to so many, and in the end, life will go on anyhow and we will have to get back to some sense of normalcy.
People die, most of them old and/or with other underlying ailments; you can’t save everyone while destroying even more people in the process. I am right in the category of those most at risk, older, I have co-morbidities (what an awful concept); I’m right in the ballpark of one who if infected could have a very bad go of it. But I refuse to whine, I have absolutely no desire to ruin our Country for the rest of us in order to save my own hide. I’ll take that risk in order that the Country as a whole doesn’t sink into a Great Depression, with all of its attendant problems, both physical and mental.
Good grief folks, stiffen up those spines and stop being led around by the nose by the “alleged” experts such as Fauci and Birx who are Clinton/Obama lovers with an agenda, and a bunch of models that are proven wrong over and over again. While the MSM/Dems/fascists scare the heck out of what is an increasingly willing to be led around by the nose populace. I for one refuse to subscribe further to such submissive cowering. I will fight for our freedom from those that are using the coronavirus as an excuse to terrorize, bully, and misuse their power in order to control and further subjugate us.
This is not the America I know and love. Time to fight back and retrieve our dignity and sanity against those that would destroy our way of life. There are those amongst us that do not have our best interests at heart while they pretend that they do. Practice further self deception at the risk of you and your Country’s peril.
Even Fauci and Birx have said that coronaviruses typically to not mutate as often nor as quickly as flu viruses.
There is only one way to stop a respiratory virus such as this, and that is through herd immunity. Whether that is through a vaccine or good ole natural herd immunity, it does not change the fact that it can only be stopped by herd immunity.
For me and mine? I select good ole natural herd immunity, you can keep the cocktail of not even God knows what.
We were told that the purpose of the shutdown was to prevent “overwhelming the hospitals”. It would seem that threat, if it ever actually existed, has passed.
If the system did not break with the surge in cases New York saw it is unlikely to break anywhere else.
Thanks for this. You’re a gutsy flaglady.
At some point we will find that this was running through CA much earlier than any mitigation strategies were in place. No run on hospitals, no endless need for body bags, just an above average start to our flu season.
Oh, and herd immunity is not a hypothesis. It is exactly how nature intended mankind to work.
Quarantine those at highest risk, get the kids back to school (they are developed to handle things like this so are the best ones to help quicken herd immunity) and let the rest of us go back to work. I see no reason to allow a respiratory disease to stay in the population any longer than it has to.
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