3/30/2020, 4:40:01 AM · by grundle · 23 replies
Wordpress ^ | March 30, 2020 | Dan from Squirrel Hill
Posted on 03/29/2020 4:48:03 PM PDT by Enlightened1
No, the way I see it is he’s not conflating the 2 issues. Think it through... I saw exactly what he intended. Comparing crisis to crisis not the terms. Though one spreads as a contagion, the other spreads as a casualty or an acceptable mortality rate within a specific profession. But they both have one unequivocal commonality... a risk of death.
As humans we make decisions, we expose ourselves to arbitrary acts of God, nature and death at the hands of another. That’s life.
So to pigeonhole a contagion into some kind of an unknown and treat it as if it were exempt from all reason and rational thought when comparing it to other causalities that have mortality rates is simply denying the obvious. They both require containment to minimize the outcome/mortality.
So in the scheme of acceptable cost vs mortality the response can be WAY more damaging then the cure. That is one reason medical malpractice/errors mortality rate is acceptable. Containment is the common denominator for both crisis... an acceptable cost vs mortality. People will and must die for the survival of either humanity or the survival of a profession that death is simply a trade-off with those that would be saved/healed.
You’re doing so by implication.
Not only am I in my house, I have my helmet on!
Jeff Dunham and friends with ‘Isolated Thoughts’ on the virus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA2r6rca2v4
I beg to differ. The analogy is valid as regards risks verses precautions due to death. If extreme measure are to be imposed which will have very detrimental, life-costing effects due to possible even 150,000 (to be very liberal) American deaths from a disease this year over 80% recover from without special help, and multiple thousands do not even know they have, and less (and decreasing) than a 1% mortality rate in the light of all who are estimated to be infected;
therefore if 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors (besides injuries) then extreme measures need to be taken to avoid the source of these.
Likewise with approx. 90 Americans dying every day from motor accidents (response: garage-in place; 6 car lengths..).
Unless in these cases the risk is worth it in the light of the benefits. Come July i believe we will see that the response and predictions of the mortality rate of Covid-19 in the US to be to extreme overall nationwide and or mistaken in the light of the costs and effects.
(With all respect to those with legitimate and very thoughtful concerns: Freepers are always talking about LIFE and how much they value it. But a lot of them have seemed lately to care most about Money.) a false dichotomy. We want to avoid deaths and it is a prosperous economy that enables better medical care for the whole world, by the grace of God. Thus the costs of saving lives, mostly of aged with preexisting problems, many of whom were likely to die soon due to other issues and with better treatment on the way, versus what it will cost in lives due suicides, substance abuse, more abortions, and poorer medical care, must be weighed.
true errors are one thing....very very bad...
but I suspect that many of these "errors" are simply bad outcomes....bad outcomes can not be prevented...
ie....you have pneumonia and the doc prescribes IV levaquin......normal drug....but your body reacts to it and your kidneys are shot......that is not a medical error..
You seem to be discussing people dying of various causes, widely dispersed in location, over a long period of time.
That doesn’t match what we’re seeing now, and which (unfortunately) I suspect that we’ll be seeing for at least a couple of months to come. There would have been much more damage - to individuals and to the economy - if we had not taken precautions to try to slow the rate of infection.
(You do realize that the capacity of our hospitals/healthcare system is what is driving our efforts to ‘flatten the peak’, don’t you? If the systems become overloaded, many more people than just those with the virus will die, because they won’t be able to get care.)
It’s double conflated.
Most of those who died from medical errors did so in the process of being treated for something that would have killed them anyways.
Going to the doctor or having surgery is always a bit of a roll of the dice. So is not going even when you don’t know of anything wrong, and more so not going when you know. Only a relative few situations are absolute.
Well yeah, because if we get Coronvirus, we’re going to end up in the hospital and die from a medical error.“
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So true. For one thing they are making Ford stop building cars and start making respirators. Mind you this is the company who made the Pinto. It took them 75 years to finally start making a halfway decent automobile. And now lives will be dependent on the respirator version of the Ford Pinto.
And its being made by people who have never made anything but cars. I don’t thing these employees will be able to give 100 percent, especially when they will probably not get paid their usual salary.
Comparing crisis to crisis not the terms.
Those are each critical differences.
It is like that Rodney Dangerfield quote, from when he was entering the hospital, he said, “if everything goes ok I’ll be out in a couple of weeks. If not, I’ll be out later today.”
It is like that Rodney Dangerfield quote, from when he was entering the hospital, he said, “if everything goes ok I’ll be out in a couple of weeks. If not, I’ll be out later today.”
The study is weak and yet is touted as Gospel. That doesn't mean medical errors don't exist but it's no where near what they say it is.
Rather, what I am clearly (not seemingly) showing is not a mortality rate overr a few months, but daily month after month and year after year, which shows them causing death far more than this seasonal virus.
(You do realize that the capacity of our hospitals/healthcare system is what is driving our efforts to ‘flatten the peak’, don’t you? If the systems become overloaded, many more people than just those with the virus will die, because they won’t be able to get care.)
And you do realize that such apocalyptic warnings of deaths must be taken with a grain of salt, or rather chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine (which are not factored in such morbid models):
Coronavirus Modeling Had Faulty Assumptions, the Real Data Gives Us Hope 3/29/2020, 9:37:50 AM · by SeekAndFind · 37 replies PJ Media ^ | 03/28/2020 | Rich Fernandez
The real death rate of COVID-19 in the U.S. may be 140 times smaller than what is being reported
FDA SAYS HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE AND CHLOROQUINE CAN BE USED TO TREAT CORONAVIRUS
“Relatively fixed vs steeply growing.”? Not relevant to a contagion when we DO know it’s theoretical/expected mortality/infection(growth) rate. The COVID-19 scenario has already been played out for countless times for years in preparation for the real deal paired with fixed protocols.
By using a actuary “probability and outcome” formula an acceptable mortality is determined based on containment-costs to determine a reasonable response. No different than using the same formula to determine an acceptable death-rate when regulating the use/manufacture, or safety standards, of automobiles, seat-belts, alcohol, cigarettes, prescription drugs... or being left exposed to the arbitrary acts of God. There is no consideration regarding “relatively-fixed” vs “steeply growing.” We’re not shooting in the dark here. The only unknown is the containment/spread of fear, panic and propaganda that fuels it. Your suggested “behavior vs not” factor. That could be the most critical factor if DELIBERATE misinformation/disinformation, hype, sensationalism, and worst case predictions are plastered all over social media scaring the SHIT out of most simpletons and the gullible. Which is EXACTLY what is being propagated by the MSM clowns and their globalist comrades to fester a world panic and collapse.
But I digress... Bottom line is containment vs cost in both human life and resources. In short as I pointed out earlier, probability vs outcome for most ANY crisis/scenario already has a “relatively-fixed” actuary formula prepared years ago. All that is left when reality strikes is choosing the containment protocol. The recovery and results from this contagion outbreak will then be... as you say “relatively-fixed” psychologically & behaviorally in the public minds that will again be used to better predict/formulate future behavior/containment if/when it might happen again. That is again WHY medical mistakes/malpractice mortality is not an unknown but very much acceptable and expected by the public as being routine and a cost of doing business by a necessary service/profession.
So I repeat my prominent point. People will and must die for the survival of either humanity or the survival of a necessary profession/action that death is simply a trade-off with those that would be saved/(healed)spared.
“Relatively fixed vs steeply growing.”? Not relevant to a contagion when we DO know it’s theoretical/expected mortality/infection(growth) rate.
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