Posted on 03/25/2020 9:23:43 AM PDT by kiryandil
Yes you have. From the perspective of big pharma and big medicine, it’s either proof through “evidence base” or it’s “only anecdotal” as you put it.
The phrase “only anecdotal” is a like a dog whistle for those who have been brainwashed by big pharma.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/sep/11/ihsan-azzam-nevada-chief-medical-officer-not-licen/
Nevada’s chief medical officer not licensed to practice medicine in U.S.
September 11, 2018
Nevada’s top doctor isn’t licensed to practice medicine in the United States.
Ihsan Azzam testified in Las Vegas on Tuesday that he has a master’s degree and worked for several years in environmental public health and epidemiology before being named chief state medical officer last May.
Azzam says he practiced for several years as an obstetrics and gynecology physician in Africa before moving to the United States in the 1990s.
But you did recognize the name instantly, didn’t you? I rest my case. The public still hasn’t forgotten about Thalidomide. Some of you don’t seem to realize doctors are going to have to live with what is done this week for decades. Please forgive us for trying to not screw this up.
True - but oone key point is that doctors like to play the "I know more than you" card right off the bat.
I myself just laugh at that card, and proceed to play my "I know more than you about this, doc" cards.
People get intimidated by the quacks.
“But you’ve never even published an article in a peer reviewed Medical Journal!” Yes, I have. I do know a little bit about these things. Some of which I am trying to share. If you don’t like what i have to say please don’t respond to me.
Sometimes a person should stop digging. The drug has been widely used world wide since the 1930’s. There are known side effects that are seen in long term therapy.
Research by German scientists to discover a substitute for quinine led to the synthesis in 1934 of Resochin (chloroquine) and Sontochin (3-methyl-chloroquine). These compounds belonged to a new class of antimalarials, the four-amino quinolines.
Following the war, chloroquine and DDT emerged as the two principal weapons in WHO’s global eradication malaria campaign. Subsequently, chloroquine resistant P. falciparum probably arose in four separate locations starting with the Thai-Cambodian border around 1957; in Venezuela and parts of Colombia around 1960; in Papua New Guinea in the mid-1970s and in Africa starting in 1978 in Kenya and Tanzania and spreading by 1983 to Sudan, Uganda, Zambia and Malawi.
Chloroquine was recently studied in pregnant women for Zika prophylaxis https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-15467-6
Let me rephrase that. If you don’t like what I am saying please give me your reasons and why. Calling me names isn’t helpful.
Nutshell of vid...he gives 4 steps, of how to ask/tell your doc for these meds (HCO/Zpak regimen)...
1 Go to dr w/symptoms (doesn’t recommend doing this process UNLESS you have symptoms). Be well informed! Dr will tell you you need test. Tell dr test taking 5 days to get results. (That this is the 0bama/Afghanistan approach.) You know that EVERY dr plans to take this, once symptomatic.
2 Ask dr would you take it? Would you prescribe to your spouse, if they become symptomatic?
Explain also that this regimin is roughly $20 and 5 days. The test is $1K and a 5 day WAIT.
3 Explain/discuss w/doc how this is disease progresses VERY quickly. In the meantime, you will likely have lung damage...AND, your mental state will be shot. He’s a dr, and should want to treat your whole being.
4 Tell dr that you WILL be on this med by end of day...whether it’s black market or another doc. You’d prefer HE/SHE be one overseeing your treatment.
Bottom line - according to Scott - $20 and maybe some diarrhea is worth not risking the $1K test, 5 day wait/lung damage.
YMMV.
Transcription/translation not exact :-)
When the results of the usage of this med come in by the end of the week from NY and NYC, we will know how well it works.
But here is the question..if it assists a percent of those taking by helping them get over this severe cold, will it be deemed worth it? If say, even 1 per cent?
If it gives that particular person infected a ray of hope, is it worth it?
Anyone who says no can go...
When doctors decide about risk, they weigh it against benefits or potential benefits. There’s a Supreme Court case that gives the right way to do it. You have to look at risk of taking as well as risk of not taking the treatment.
We already know the risks of taking hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin.
The risk of not taking it is death, for those with severe covid 19 infection.
I'm very well-educated, you jerk.
Nice smokescreen you've been laying down on this thread, by the way.
Almost like you have a dog in this fight.
You may know that Thalidomide is still in constant use, and is a highly effective and important drug.
They don’t give it to pregnant women. And it isn’t the only drug like that. These are drugs that are known to cause birth defects, and you need to show you are birth control, get tested more than once for pregnancy, and sometimes swear off sex. It can spread to the mother and child through semen.
But it is actually on the list of safest and most effective medicines.
The problem with Thalidomide was that, in europe in the late 50s, they said it was safe for pregnant woman, but it turned out in some cases, it wasn’t, and by the time they stopped it, 4000 babies were born horribly deformed or still-born.
Our FDA stopped the drug from being used in the United States. This was the driving force for an overhaul of the drug approval system.
This has almost no bearing on the use of ZPAP and Hydrocloroquine for COVID, since both drugs, and the combination of the two drugs, have made it through all the relevant testing, so the ONLY question is whether it is helpful, or harmful, in the treatment of COVID.
One might have read your posts about Thalidomide, and then been worried about why their doctor was prescribing it to them.
I don’t care what you’ve published.
The position you’re taking here smells like a political one, not a scientific one.
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Didn’t POTUS authorize docs to practice across state lines?
Maybe NV folks can get Rx from an out of state doc.
Thank you!
You're the best, as usual!
Appropo of nothing, the entire show MacGyver was a testament to solving problems without controlled studies or any prior tests.
Again. The question is not can it be taken. The question is does it work? We can know the answer to that question right now.
I smell a dog in this fight, don't you?
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