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Stanford Professor Suggests We Are Severely Overreacting To Coronavirus
NewsPushed ^ | 03-20-20 | David Lindfield

Posted on 03/20/2020 4:27:29 PM PDT by Steve1999

The co-director of Stanford University’s Meta-Research Innovation Center, John P.A. Ioannidis, wrote in an opinion piece this week a warning to Americans that participating in voluntary shutdowns and allowing the government to set curfews and manipulate the free market before dependable data collected could be a mistake. The professor of medicine, population health, statistics, biomedical data science, and epidemiology described the the current collection of data as “utterly unreliable” due to the inability to test everyone who had potentially been infected. Ioannidis said that coronavirus may be a “once-in-a-century evidence fiasco”.

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To: lurk

and accepted shutdowns of gun stores and axcpeted the premise governors can demand total state lockdowns.


21 posted on 03/20/2020 5:00:24 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Steve1999

Its like Russian Roulette. Only one chamber has a bullet. The odds are with you.

Do you feel lucky, punk?

But it is interesting the infection rate in WA, NY, CA, MA compared to the infection rate in TX, FL, GA, etc.

State Public Health Departments are the main actor in this type of event. The Feds are there to support and respond to the needs of the state Public Health Departments. The Washington Public Health Department and the governor made blunder after blunder.

In every state the Health Departments regulate and license the Nursing Homes. The contro#l the Medicaid that is the #1 source of money for most nursing homes, and certainly for the one North of Seattle. The evidence was clear and they ignored it.

Would you want one of these Blue State governors to run a single payer health system?

Single point of failure - avoid it. The #1 lesson learned from recent events. Single payer creates a single point of failure. Total dependpency on China is a single point of failure.

We survive by having decentralization


22 posted on 03/20/2020 5:00:29 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: patriotfury

Someone send this to Trump before he shuts the country down and Dr f should go screw himself


23 posted on 03/20/2020 5:01:06 PM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: CMailBag

Could be a mistake. Or it could not. What is the value of the the dear professor opinion? Get himself in the news, remind the world of his existence?


24 posted on 03/20/2020 5:06:02 PM PDT by exinnj
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To: Steve1999

Two relevant comments below his statnews.com article, kinda make his point about data. Do we know if the S Korean tests were randomized at all?

(1) ‘In the same article that you use the Diamond Princess cruise ship as a case study for fatality rates, you estimate that 1% of the U.S population might be infected. The Diamond Princess cruise ship saw nearly 25% of the ship’s passengers infected. Perhaps multiple your “lost in the noise” 10,000 influenza-like deaths by 20+.’

(2) ‘Why is this article’s main source of data the Diamond Princess when we have a much, much larger data set in South Korea? As of March 15th, South Korea had tested 248,000 people, and confirmed 8,162 cases, and recorded 75 deaths. That represents a case fatality ratio of 0.9%. If governments should base their policy decisions on a range of reasonable possibilities, it seems like the South Korea example, where they have conducted the most testing, should be the benchmark – not the Diamond Princess.’


25 posted on 03/20/2020 5:06:31 PM PDT by ReaganGeneration2
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To: Steve1999

He’s right.


26 posted on 03/20/2020 5:07:45 PM PDT by livius
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To: Steve1999

I read his piece.

Some fundamentally good points...which fall apart under ridiculous application of details and logical contradictions.


27 posted on 03/20/2020 5:09:58 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Does so

From day one? All 360 million of us? How many testing kits you need for that? How many people do you need administering those tests? Running tests? Reading and analyzing results? Developing public health policies based on the results? And to do all that dealing with novel pathogen with unknown properties? Get real.


28 posted on 03/20/2020 5:12:17 PM PDT by exinnj
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To: spintreebob

But it is interesting the infection rate in WA, NY, CA, MA compared to the infection rate in TX, FL, GA, etc.


A big part of the NY issue is mass public transit, where people are congregated in tight, held that way for a while (New Rochelle to Grand Central Station is a minimum of 40 minutes), then remix and repeat.


29 posted on 03/20/2020 5:20:44 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Steve1999

Asteroid impact media: “We are seriously over reacting!”


30 posted on 03/20/2020 5:25:42 PM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: House Atreides
I think I’m hearing the collapse of the first pillars of our economy & nation. The DemocRATS and their Chinese allies can’t believe their good fortune.

And Trump has no choice but to go along with it...The politicians and fake news will bury him if he doesn't...

And as I see it, he's pulling out all the stops; doing everything that can be done to stave off THEIR destruction of our Nation...

31 posted on 03/20/2020 5:31:55 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Steve1999

32 posted on 03/20/2020 5:33:02 PM PDT by 4Liberty (BERNIE SANDERS: A CRUSTY, ANTI-AMERICAN WEIRDO. - Kurt Schlichter)
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86% of people infected have no symptoms at all – they are basically immune.
Of the 14% who show symptoms, 82% of those are mild and resolve themselves.
This leaves 14% x 18% = .14 x .18 = .0252 ~ 2.5% who are severe or critical, almost all of whom are elderly and with existing conditions like cancer, leukemia, heart disease, smokers, vapers, emphysema, liver and kidney disease.
About 3 million people die (a little less than 1%) in the United States each year from all causes, mostly elderly again, it doesn’t harm society. So now, at the worst, we may may have 7 million die this year, again mostly elderly, - it will not affect anything to lose these people, they are just dying a little sooner than they would have.
Our government is destroying our economy and society to “protect the vulnerable” – the extra 1.5% who are already sick and would die in a few years anyway.
Our government is yelling “Fire!” in a crowded theatre, when all there is a cigarette smoldering in a corner.
The next thing will be the cancellation of elections to maintain their new dictatorial powers.
More will die from shortages of blood from cancellation of blood drives than will die from the virus – and these deaths will be the young and otherwise healthy – car accidents., etc.
These Criminal Governors must be held accountable!


33 posted on 03/20/2020 5:37:58 PM PDT by FreedomIsTheFreedomToSay2+2=4 (Do some math!)
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To: Jim Robinson; All

By the way, you may have already, but have you seen/listened to this well educated breakdown of CV-19 —

https://youtu.be/J6VEYzwSdZU

I actually have met Dr. Cantrell from MI, and he is a “strait shooter”, and does not sensationalize. The panic has already been far worse, destructive, and disruptive than necessary, but there is more than a political reason our 45 is taking this seriously.

As well there is this FR thread with 2015 CV-19 journal link here —

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3824241/posts

Most wmd analyst I have worked with have long considered RUS, as likely having the most developed and dynamic bio and chem weapons programs in the world. Additionally, really kicking into high gear toward the end of 2009, Russia and China began developing their strongest (post Mao), mutual and structural defense relationship.

While important segments of CV-19 were colaboritively engineered back in 2010, there is strong evidence it was weaponized in 2015, in Wuhan. Multiple level 4 lab locations and governments knew at least part of this danger, but it was largely covered up within the culturally leftist globalist eye-see. Whether it really worked or not, by the second half of 2015, Moscow was quietly putting in place an attempt to inoc, or strengthen the majority of its population against against CV-19.

Obviously something spooked them, but Russian society necessarily had no clue what they were forced to take.

My thoughts, invest in UV light, bleach, recent developed Israeli bio warfare masks & gear, and don’t let your pets out much. / .5 S


34 posted on 03/20/2020 5:40:03 PM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!))
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To: BipolarBob
John P.A. Ioannidis...Born in New York City in 1965 and raised in Athens, Greece.


35 posted on 03/20/2020 5:44:28 PM PDT by caww
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To: BipolarBob

His Bio is vast and extensive..

https://profiles.stanford.edu/john-ioannidis


36 posted on 03/20/2020 5:45:16 PM PDT by caww
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To: Java4Jay

“Push back” agaist Gov. Wolf in Pa for shutting down manfacturing etc. is mounting at a rapid pace now. He needs to stop listening to Como and do his own thinking for this state!


37 posted on 03/20/2020 5:49:20 PM PDT by caww
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To: Jim Robinson
Yup. The cure may be worse than the disease if the world’s economy collapses.

Not necessarily. There are other scenarios. Like letting the disease run wild and watching the health care system collapse, a couple of million Americans die, and the world economy collapse along with the rest of the disaster.

In that scenario you get both, the disease and the collapse of the world's economy. A much, much worse situation.

38 posted on 03/20/2020 5:51:35 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: CMailBag

Could be a mistake? It is not a mistake. All our state and even local governments are getting a taste of Tyranny and they like it.America after WuHan will be a much more closely monitored and controlled society. Never let a crisis go to waste.


39 posted on 03/20/2020 5:54:43 PM PDT by arthurus ( covfefe flater)
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To: Steve1999

Closing businesses is a BIG mistake. So far, the percentage of deaths of verified cases is about 01.3. Half of these deaths are people over 60 years old and many 70 and 80 . This virus is no more deadly than past serious epidemics. Sure, it may transmit much faster but is otherwise no more if not less deadly. We are killing the best economy in the world and the Chinese have perpetrated the act. Stop closing down our economy !!!


40 posted on 03/20/2020 5:55:05 PM PDT by soundapproach
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