New York state coronavirus cases soar to about 1,700, hospitalizing 19%

cnbc ^ | MAR 17 2020 | Berkeley Lovelac e Jr. Noah Higgins-Dunn

[Crucial]

So what did Cuomo and DeBlasio do wrong? I don’t think it’s this bad anywhere else.

[cherry]

its not the “beds” its the personal to manage those beds....

[ProtectOurFreedom]

My son and I watched the movie “Contagion” tonight. It gets rather scary when the food runs out and then the emergency MREs run out. I sure hope we don’t get there with COVID.

The movie was accurate on lots of predictions, but they missed quite a few:
* Didn’t show the collapse of the health care system sufficiently
* Didn’t show any testing of the public to determine spread.
* Didn’t show any national leadership at all - just the head of the CDC.
* AND, the CDC was a wonder organization, capable of doing anything capably and fast.

[cherry]

I’ve called for random testing 2 weeks ago....to find out really how many people have this...

[Wissa]

The LAST thing they want is more patients. Especially now.

Post #90 says they operate at razor-thin profit margins even at full capacity. Why WOULDN'T they want to find ways to fill as many beds as possible? What qualifies as "in need of hospitalization" can change to fit the need to fill beds.

Healthcare has become an industry nearing $4 trillion a year as much by creating needs as by responding to pre-existing needs.

[cherry]

just being checked by the nurse “occasionally” might mean IV steroids, breathing treatments,IV abx for secondary infections, IV fluids etc....typical treatment for regular good old fashioned pneumonia.....

[mmichaels1970]

I’ve called for random testing 2 weeks ago....to find out really how many people have this...

And that was a smart call. A demographic “poll” with a random sample and moe would have been and continue to be really helpful imho.

You get the issue I’m having with these percentages then right? We’re freaked out enough. When somebody says “well Europe is only 10% and we’re at 19%”, it’s meaningless. It’s all in who meets the criteria for testing, which is wildly all over the place all over the US and the world.

[steve86]

What an idiot

[mmichaels1970]

Agree to disagree. They know they’re gonna get slammed soon enough.

[steve86]

As I said earlier today, I’d rather take a .44 to the cranium than that horrible curved swab up through the nasal passage and down into the throat. Unsedated, anyway.

[cherry]

Medicare and health insurance will NOT pay if an admission doesn’t meet criteria.....no hospital will admit if the criteria is not met....

[RomanSoldier19]

any good news is welcomed

[xkaydet65]

They sent a carrier out from Norfolk
And picked the Yankees up for free. They said that Queens could stay
They blew the Bronx away
And sank Manhattan out at sea

[Wissa]

Medicare and health insurance will NOT pay if an admission doesn’t meet criteria.....no hospital will admit if the criteria is not met....

What is the current criteria for treatment of the corona-virus? Has the criteria been defined such that people are being denied hospitalization, or are they still flying blind?

[Styria]

Criteria for treatment is not for corona virus per se. It is for sepsis, pneumonia, hypoxia, respiratory failure, ARDS, or other complications of having an infection that are severe enough to warrant inpatient treatment. Demonstrating these is easy and if insurance balks it’s because of documentation (easily correctible in this case). If these are due to corona virus, then it changes the isolation precautions necessary, but it’s still just supportive care. Nothing “cures” it but the patient’s own immune system. If they’re not sick enough to require hospital care, they should stay home.

[usafa92]

Here’s the thing though. I work for a major international bank in NYC, with a huge presence there, 15000 plus employees. Nobody knows of one person anywhere that has this. Nobody in the company, nobody’s family, not even a friend of a friend of a worker, no customers that have it who could be traced to branches Nothing. And they will alert for anything. The amount of email on this is staggering internally and nothing on potential community transmissions.

Now I understand we are in a city of 8M and there are only 1700 cases, yet it seems odd that the grim statistics are not matched by any firsthand knowledge. In contrast, on 9/11, and perhaps a poor analogy, but everyone knew someone who was there, who was killed or had some connection to it or was affected by it. So I am interested to see how this unfolds in the next week or so.

[seastay]

Is this just number porn ? Because 19 percent of those tested end up hospitalized does not mean 19 percent of infections need to be hospitalized . Many carrying the virus may have not been tested, how would we know ?

[MacMattico]

Working in an upstate city, on a deemed Coronavirus floor in a city hospital. Eight patients, 2 critical, none yet have tested positive— still awaiting results. City size: 200,000

[carikadon]

You are 100% correct in your assessment. I do not post much but I have been on FR for years and I don’t recognize FR anymore nor my fellow Americans who seem to think that a virus is more dangerous than losing their freedoms.

[FreeReign]

So 3.8% of those tested and found positive have ended up in ICU.

70 posts in, and we finally get to the punchline.