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For some, even questioning the drastic long-term response is anathema, but dispensing with extremes ("So you want to let everyone die? Look at Italy!" Or, "Just let nature take its course.") but I am trying to elicit an objective perspective based upon the past and what we can expect.

And what about fear of death, and preparation for eternity?

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; (Acts 3:19)

1 posted on 03/16/2020 7:32:16 AM PDT by daniel1212
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As soon as word leaks out about how the elites skirt these bans, the SWHTF.


2 posted on 03/16/2020 7:36:37 AM PDT by HIDEK6 ( God bless Donald Trump.)
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In the very least, for the near future, Mankind is going to go from being a social creature to an anti social creature.

Imagine this thing becoming bad enough that anyone is terrified to be around everyone. Imagine how that could change life as we know it if it does not revert back.


3 posted on 03/16/2020 7:37:07 AM PDT by chris37 (China needs to held accountable for its bio-weapon.)
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The long term goal is gun confiscation.

Civil unrest will be the catalyst.

Controlling the food supply will provide the spark.

4 posted on 03/16/2020 7:37:18 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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Here comes the cashless society. Bills carry germs. Much easier to just have a mark in your hand.


5 posted on 03/16/2020 7:38:06 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Auto-correct has become my worst enema.)
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These are excellent discussions to have. Unfortunately since we’re stuck in a hysteria, we won’t be able to have such discussions right now.

And yes, people such as Rahm Emmanuel are not going to let this crisis go to waste. If Democrats win the White House and increase numbers in Congress in November, Rahm and his ilk will pass laws on socialized medicine and God knows what else.


6 posted on 03/16/2020 7:39:07 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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How successful will the mitigation efforts of individuals who do self quarantine? We decided to bunker down on Friday. So far my wife has found a reason she “had to go out” every day.


7 posted on 03/16/2020 7:39:26 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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We may heading toward curfews because I predict it will soon be “discovered” that not enough people are staying at home.


8 posted on 03/16/2020 7:40:59 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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I believe the massive effort by government will be used on future diseases. It somewhat reminds me of the AIDS epidemic response, of course, this has taken things to a whole new level, though.

We will become comfortable with extreme impingement on our liberties - after all, it’s “for our own good.” Some impingements will permanently stick as being universally “prudent.” I can see laws requiring businesses to sell only a couple of anything in stock per person as one example, followed by vague laws that state the people “can’t sell at an outrageous profit” any good in high demand. We will never be told an objective measure of what “outrageous profit” is because subjectiveness benefits all of those in charge.

My wife and I are glad for the life we’ve had and look forward to many more years, but we are very grateful to God for allowing us to know Him and to experience life.

9 posted on 03/16/2020 7:41:58 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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The governments, local, state and federal seem to be in panic mode, worse than the populace.

They institute more actions and if nothing improves dramatically in 24 hours, they panic more and double down. This is having a very ugly snowball effect.

While the seriousness of this should not be understated, at this point the increasing panic of public officials is liable to cause this to become a complete disaster and possibly a SHTF scenario. I fear the government.


10 posted on 03/16/2020 7:55:11 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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Here's some perspective on the current coronavirus numbers.

Worldwide population: 7 billion
Number of worldwide deaths:6,705

7 billion seconds = 221 years
6,705 seconds = 111 minutes

11 posted on 03/16/2020 7:56:44 AM PDT by Mopp4
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They’ll drag Sam Donaldson out with all the body bags..s/


12 posted on 03/16/2020 7:59:47 AM PDT by wardamneagle
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The difference between those causes of death you mention (cancer, heart attack, diabetes, etc) and covid19 is that this virus is highly infectious and deadly.

The fact that someone has cancer or high BP doesn’t scare other people to be around them, C19 does and hence the reaction you see.

On top of that with the quickly increase in number, the medical system can suddenly become overwhelmed to a point that you have to start doing triage operations as is the case in Italy, leading to more panic and restrictions.


13 posted on 03/16/2020 8:01:09 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care!)
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I have had a theory / belief for a few years that the goal was to force as many people into cities as possible for ease of control. Obama made few repairs to interstates, inconvenience them, they will move. This whole boondoggle is about control of masses. Power shutdown, utilities shutdown, the lemmings will whimper and comply. Seattle mayor housing the homeless at SeaTac, dense population, easy to control. Of course the cost of cleaning up SeaTac afterwards, assuming they can remove the homeless will be monumental. The lemmings in the blue states are going receive a true dose of the Socialist “Haves and Have Nots”. What better way to install the U.N. agenda of control.

Gunner


14 posted on 03/16/2020 8:03:06 AM PDT by weps4ret (Republicans are suffering from Testicular Atrophy, The Continuing Saga!! Still!!)
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Over 80,000 Americans Died of Flu in 2018... 90 percent of those deaths were in people over age 65 (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/01/health/flu-deaths-vaccine.html) A four-week stretch saw the flu kill older Americans at a rate of 169 people a day, or seven people per hour. (https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2018/older-flu-deaths-rising.html)

Will the shut down of our economy, in fact our entire way of life, continue until no one is dying from this new corona virus? Many (most?) of the people dying from corona virus may have died anyway if they had gotten the regular seasonal flu. People get the flu vaccine but has there been a year when the vaccine was declared to be the right one for the flu that did come?

24 posted on 03/16/2020 8:29:16 AM PDT by Freee-dame
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Look who’s really panicking and hysterical.


26 posted on 03/16/2020 8:33:27 AM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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I will be the first to admit I don’t have a crystal ball with which to play your game.


29 posted on 03/16/2020 8:36:34 AM PDT by Wuli
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Most countries have no deaths from this corona virus.

And those that reported the new daily deaths are not increasing. For this to be the pandemic the media is saying new deaths have to be increasing exponentially.

They reported that the USA has 70 deaths so far but as you said the yearly flu has had up to 80,000 U.S. deaths in 2018. 4000 U.S deaths a week in that flu for 2018 during February 2018.

There is no threat from any virus. It would take orders of magnitude growth to even reach the levels of a regular flu season. But the new daily deaths are going down all over the world anyway. The media just reports the total deaths.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

In my opinion the news media is destroying the economy to win the election against Trump. Democrat governors are closing restaurants, bars, gatherings, curfews and that also will destroy the economy.

People believe the news media, even some on here. They are allowing the media to shut down too many businesses and lock them inside with curfews etc.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Looking at all the countries it seems the reported cases and new deaths in the USA seem to be one of the highest. In countries like S.korea China the deaths are going down. hmmmm

Also democrat governors and democrat government bureaucrats have taken the directive from the media: use corona virus to increase mass hysteria which will shut down the economy and then that will get Trump. The Goal of the news media has been from day 1 that Trump announced is get Trump.

This virus won't even be mentioned after the election.

The news for 3 years was Russia Russia Russia . What happened to Russia? What happened to Zika, global warming, ebola , sars, swine flu, bird flu,west nile virus the hole in the ozone layer, peak oil?

But of course the media is hyping this corona virus a trillion times more than they did the previous "threats" and some of here know why.

30 posted on 03/16/2020 8:39:29 AM PDT by rurgan (Democrats are socialists. Vote for Trump or the US will be Venezuela)
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