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Discuss: What will be the effects of a long-term shutdowns and quarantines? How will liberalism use this crisis further its agenda? What about seeing deaths in perspective of other causes? And preparation for eternity?
Free Republic ^ | 03.15.2020 | daniel1212

Posted on 03/16/2020 7:32:15 AM PDT by daniel1212

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For some, even questioning the drastic long-term response is anathema, but dispensing with extremes ("So you want to let everyone die? Look at Italy!" Or, "Just let nature take its course.") but I am trying to elicit an objective perspective based upon the past and what we can expect.

And what about fear of death, and preparation for eternity?

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; (Acts 3:19)

1 posted on 03/16/2020 7:32:16 AM PDT by daniel1212
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As soon as word leaks out about how the elites skirt these bans, the SWHTF.


2 posted on 03/16/2020 7:36:37 AM PDT by HIDEK6 ( God bless Donald Trump.)
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In the very least, for the near future, Mankind is going to go from being a social creature to an anti social creature.

Imagine this thing becoming bad enough that anyone is terrified to be around everyone. Imagine how that could change life as we know it if it does not revert back.


3 posted on 03/16/2020 7:37:07 AM PDT by chris37 (China needs to held accountable for its bio-weapon.)
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The long term goal is gun confiscation.

Civil unrest will be the catalyst.

Controlling the food supply will provide the spark.

4 posted on 03/16/2020 7:37:18 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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Here comes the cashless society. Bills carry germs. Much easier to just have a mark in your hand.


5 posted on 03/16/2020 7:38:06 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Auto-correct has become my worst enema.)
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These are excellent discussions to have. Unfortunately since we’re stuck in a hysteria, we won’t be able to have such discussions right now.

And yes, people such as Rahm Emmanuel are not going to let this crisis go to waste. If Democrats win the White House and increase numbers in Congress in November, Rahm and his ilk will pass laws on socialized medicine and God knows what else.


6 posted on 03/16/2020 7:39:07 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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How successful will the mitigation efforts of individuals who do self quarantine? We decided to bunker down on Friday. So far my wife has found a reason she “had to go out” every day.


7 posted on 03/16/2020 7:39:26 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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We may heading toward curfews because I predict it will soon be “discovered” that not enough people are staying at home.


8 posted on 03/16/2020 7:40:59 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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I believe the massive effort by government will be used on future diseases. It somewhat reminds me of the AIDS epidemic response, of course, this has taken things to a whole new level, though.

We will become comfortable with extreme impingement on our liberties - after all, it’s “for our own good.” Some impingements will permanently stick as being universally “prudent.” I can see laws requiring businesses to sell only a couple of anything in stock per person as one example, followed by vague laws that state the people “can’t sell at an outrageous profit” any good in high demand. We will never be told an objective measure of what “outrageous profit” is because subjectiveness benefits all of those in charge.

My wife and I are glad for the life we’ve had and look forward to many more years, but we are very grateful to God for allowing us to know Him and to experience life.

9 posted on 03/16/2020 7:41:58 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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The governments, local, state and federal seem to be in panic mode, worse than the populace.

They institute more actions and if nothing improves dramatically in 24 hours, they panic more and double down. This is having a very ugly snowball effect.

While the seriousness of this should not be understated, at this point the increasing panic of public officials is liable to cause this to become a complete disaster and possibly a SHTF scenario. I fear the government.


10 posted on 03/16/2020 7:55:11 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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Here's some perspective on the current coronavirus numbers.

Worldwide population: 7 billion
Number of worldwide deaths:6,705

7 billion seconds = 221 years
6,705 seconds = 111 minutes

11 posted on 03/16/2020 7:56:44 AM PDT by Mopp4
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They’ll drag Sam Donaldson out with all the body bags..s/


12 posted on 03/16/2020 7:59:47 AM PDT by wardamneagle
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The difference between those causes of death you mention (cancer, heart attack, diabetes, etc) and covid19 is that this virus is highly infectious and deadly.

The fact that someone has cancer or high BP doesn’t scare other people to be around them, C19 does and hence the reaction you see.

On top of that with the quickly increase in number, the medical system can suddenly become overwhelmed to a point that you have to start doing triage operations as is the case in Italy, leading to more panic and restrictions.


13 posted on 03/16/2020 8:01:09 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care!)
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I have had a theory / belief for a few years that the goal was to force as many people into cities as possible for ease of control. Obama made few repairs to interstates, inconvenience them, they will move. This whole boondoggle is about control of masses. Power shutdown, utilities shutdown, the lemmings will whimper and comply. Seattle mayor housing the homeless at SeaTac, dense population, easy to control. Of course the cost of cleaning up SeaTac afterwards, assuming they can remove the homeless will be monumental. The lemmings in the blue states are going receive a true dose of the Socialist “Haves and Have Nots”. What better way to install the U.N. agenda of control.

Gunner


14 posted on 03/16/2020 8:03:06 AM PDT by weps4ret (Republicans are suffering from Testicular Atrophy, The Continuing Saga!! Still!!)
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They institute more actions and if nothing improves dramatically in 24 hours, they panic more and double down. This is having a very ugly snowball effect. While the seriousness of this should not be understated, at this point the increasing panic of public officials is liable to cause this to become a complete disaster and possibly a SHTF scenario. I fear the government.

I am quite sure, ChildOfThe60s, that you can surmise how radicals would seek draconian measures to stop the dire consequences of Climate Change.

But at least for now they want to save the lives of the most vulnerable - if outside the womb - and are not opposing border control much. Its quarantine, not open borders.

15 posted on 03/16/2020 8:03:16 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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I believe the massive effort by government will be used on future diseases. It somewhat reminds me of the AIDS epidemic response, of course, this has taken things to a whole new level, though.

Hardly. Although sodomy (by about 4% of the pop.) is the means of HIV transmission in over 80% of cases among men, yet is it is promoted as a right, and Medicaid enrollees can get funding for prevention as practitioners and treatment for it.

We will become comfortable with extreme impingement on our liberties - after all, it’s “for our own good.”

That is a real danger.

16 posted on 03/16/2020 8:09:16 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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We may heading toward curfews because I predict it will soon be “discovered” that not enough people are staying at home.

Martial law is already a option.

17 posted on 03/16/2020 8:10:20 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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How successful will the mitigation efforts of individuals who do self quarantine? We decided to bunker down on Friday. So far my wife has found a reason she “had to go out” every day.

Well, it is normally actually not best to only stay enclosed!

18 posted on 03/16/2020 8:11:54 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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We’re walking the dog every couple hours. He’s old and makes mistakes occasionally. I think he has dog dementia.


19 posted on 03/16/2020 8:14:42 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
These are excellent discussions to have. Unfortunately since we’re stuck in a hysteria, we won’t be able to have such discussions right now.

Indeed. I expected some posts to show up scolding me for even daring to discuss some these questions. How are things in San Diego? Price of gas gone down yet? I am up here in MA. .

20 posted on 03/16/2020 8:17:14 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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