Posted on 03/11/2020 12:22:35 PM PDT by amorphous
Doctors in northern Italy struggling with the explosion of COVID-19 cases are warning their hospitals are on the brink of collapse and telling other countries to prepare for a fierce battle.
At the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in Europe, the sudden surge to more than 10,000 cases in the region in just three weeks has overwhelmed intensive care units, with a shortage of beds and staff and ventilators potentially pushing the death toll higher.
The overflow means patients are being treated in operating rooms, hospital corridors, or recovery rooms. Only a small portion of patients are being housed in negative-pressure isolation rooms, designed to stop airborne contaminants from infecting healthcare workers. Doctors are being forced to make tough decisions on which patients will get ventilation machines or respirators.
You can mock it like a jack a$$ all you want but try losing your livelihood and your family in one fell swoop and see if it is so funny then.
The US is not Italy.
Italy has one of the world’s oldest populations with 60% over age 40 - 60% age 40 and over and 23% is over 65 years of age. This made the country a target-rich environment.
They also do the cheek-kiss greeting.
He had a General Practice.
This is going to overwhelm many health care systems, including ours. The only successful way to fight it is by quarantine, which isn't going to work too well in the West. If people see how high the CFR is, many will self quarantine as many older folks are doing now. Meanwhile, the young are already taking advantage of cheaper flights and cruises - life goes on.
I'm not sure if it's even worth trying to put quarantines in place now that the virus has such a strong footing. Perhaps it is for places like nursing homes and there are rumors of several states quarantining nursing homes.
The virus will peak, but I'm not sure the world will be the same. Look what happened after 9/11. It began a war that has lasted for over 18 years now, and cost the US trillions of dollars over the death of 3,000.
Maybe our world, in someways, will be better, like showing us the need to make more things ourselves and not be so reliant on foreign sources for critical items.
One thing for sure, what we're seeing is unprecedented and the pace is quickening.
I’m not mocking the disease.
I’m mocking your response to it.
It’s also interesting that when people disagree with you your first instinct is to wish them and their family harm. You are acting like a b1tchy little libtard DU poster.
that translation might not be correct...maybe he was just a general practitioner.
So what did he think about their free care? Was your contact worried?
Have seen a lot of reports that they would start rationing health care...like death panels.
haven’t really read the stories
Did you forget a sarcasm tag or something?
Hospitals stop functioning when they are overwhelmed with patients and can't do anything for them. They stop functioning when the disease has infected so many health care workers their is no one left to care for many patients.
At some point they move from admitting to "triage" where someone makes an instant judgement call, like on a battlefield. This one can be saved and gets treatment, this one will probably live without treatment, this one is too old, too sick or has too many other problems: "put her in the parking lot tent with the other short-timers we are going to let die."
None of this has anything to do with making money at this point. (Are there even any substantial number of private hospitals in Italy?)
And what is my response to that you are mocking?
You think they aren’t being decimated????
And no where did I wish your family harm
I said YOU go through it and see how funny it is.
If you lived in Italy would think it was being decimated and wonder what it was going to look like when it was all over?
Why is it funny to you???
When the doctors and staff come down with the virus, they are a risk to everyone else if they work while sick.
Since this hits older people and those not getting a lot of sleep, you can imagine the most skilled are incapacitated early on.
At some point, no one is left to do anything.
Me: Likewise! Stay healthy!!
He: I will not miss!!
I feel for these people.
They really dont know what hit them...not only from the virus standpoint but the economics of it.
Long lasting repercussions
No, Decimated means 10%. They might loose 1-2% of those infected, which if 50% of the country is infected, means .5 to 1%.
This is ALL HYPE.
In the average year, 70,000 in the USA die of the Flu- Type A and B.
FACTS.
It doesn't matter. If we use your 12,000 cases, and I agree it is an overestimation of those needing hospitalization, then it means 12,000 are being treated in halls, corridors, waiting rooms, and makeshift facilities with equipment shortages like ventilators. It is a problem.
If there were leaders with brains, a triage would already be performed. Those with the virus would be taken to another facility where the military or volunteers would care for them. There are plenty of unused warehouses and the military has gobs of large tents. It doesn’t take physicians repeating the same treatments or even diagnostics time and again. That can be done by others by rote following a short training session.
They seem to be some newly funded, multi-media, leftist propaganda outlet.
Per Wikipedia:
Vice Media LLC is an American-based Canadian digital media and broadcasting company. Developing from Vice magazine, originally based in Montreal and co-founded by Suroosh Alvi,[8] Shane Smith, and Gavin McInnes (who left the company in 2008),[9] Vice expanded primarily into youth and young adult–focused digital media. This included online content verticals and related web series, the news division Vice News, a film production studio, and a record label among other properties. In 2015, Vice Media was called "[arguably] a poster child for new-media success—especially when it comes to attracting a valuable millennial audience."[10] Vice re-located to New York City in 2001.Gavin McGuiness also founded the Proud Boys, so I wouldn't call him a leftist. Not sure about the rest of the company, or why he left in 2008 - maybe his political views were at odds with the rest of the company.
Murdoch owns a stake in them, I think 5%.
Yep
how long would it take to train relatively unskilled people to administer these tests and then provide care at improvised facilities? Not long. What improvised facilities? Empty warehouses and office spaces, even military tents.
Doesn't anyone have any sense?
Thank you. She is the worst.
So are you claiming Italy isn’t getting decimated?
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