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On this date in 1864

Posted on 03/09/2020 3:54:38 AM PDT by Bull Snipe

President Abraham Lincoln promotes Major General Ulysses S. Grant to the rank of Lieutenant General. As such, Grant will command the 860,000 men of the Union Army.


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1 posted on 03/09/2020 3:54:38 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

“This man fights!”


2 posted on 03/09/2020 4:02:55 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (As long as Hillary Clinton remains free equal justice under the law will never exist in the USA)
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To: Bull Snipe

“Find out what he drinks and send a case to my other Generals”


3 posted on 03/09/2020 4:16:38 AM PDT by stig
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To: Bull Snipe

Throwing idiots and money at the problem: a Federal Government tradition!


4 posted on 03/09/2020 4:32:41 AM PDT by golux
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To: Bull Snipe

bump


5 posted on 03/09/2020 5:30:12 AM PDT by foreverfree
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To: golux

It is a nice thought, but he didn’t fight over the same piece of land a second time.
Never stepping back unlike his predecessors changed the war in the East imo.


6 posted on 03/09/2020 5:40:25 AM PDT by thinkthenpost
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To: thinkthenpost

Grant and Sherman knew what modern war was all about.


7 posted on 03/09/2020 5:54:58 AM PDT by Destroyer Sailor (Revenge is a dish best served cold)
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To: Bull Snipe

What could the South have actually done to the North had the North taken a purely defensive position?

I don’t like what Sherman did.

I don’t personally like what I know about Grant.


8 posted on 03/09/2020 5:56:30 AM PDT by old-ager (anti-new-ager)
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To: Bull Snipe

“Oh, I am heartily tired of hearing about what Lee is going to do. Some of you always seem to think he is suddenly going to turn a double somersault, and land in our rear and on both of our flanks at the same time. Go back to your command, and try to think what we are going to do ourselves, instead of what Lee is going to do.”


9 posted on 03/09/2020 6:02:50 AM PDT by GreenLanternCorps (Hi! I'm the Dread Pirate Roberts! (TM) Atsk about franchise opportunities in your area.)
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To: GreenLanternCorps

Believe Grant made that comment during the Battle of the Wilderness.


10 posted on 03/09/2020 6:16:49 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: old-ager

Probably not much. But the North had to be on the offensive.
The objective was to force the Confederate States back in the Union. To do that, they had to destroy the Confederate armies and conquer Confederate territory. A purely defensive strategy would pretty much allowed the Confederacy to win their goal, independence.


11 posted on 03/09/2020 6:20:39 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe
Don't forget that Confederate cavalry made it to the outskirts of Washington, DC during the Monocacy campaign later in 1864. The real beginning of the end didn't really come until Petersburg fell and, with it, the defensive perimeter for Richmond in February 1865.

Historians today recognize Gettysburg as the turning point. Back then, it was seen as just another major battle.

12 posted on 03/09/2020 6:23:41 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: golux

While your statement is generally accurate, in Grant’s case, he was weirdly effective. Especially with Sherman’s boys “making Georgia howl” at the same time.

CC


13 posted on 03/09/2020 6:24:40 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV)
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To: old-ager

Thuis sayeth old-ager: “What could the South have actually done to the North had the North taken a purely defensive position?

I don’t like what Sherman did.

I don’t personally like what I know about Grant.”

Antietam 1862 (Sharpsburg MD)
Gettysburg 1863 (PA)
Monocacy 1864 (MD)

Have a nice day!


14 posted on 03/09/2020 6:35:11 AM PDT by fatboy
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More than cavalry. Early approached Washington D.C. with an army of nearly 10,000 men.

While Gettysburg was the largest battle of the war. It’s main accomplishment was break the offensive power of the Army of Northern Virginia. Lee lost about one third of his army as casualties. For the rest of the War, the ANV was pretty much limited to going wherever the Army of the Potomac wanted to go.
Whether it was the turning point of the war is debatable. Some think McClellan’s drawn battle at Antietam had more impact on the outcome of the war than Gettysburg. The reason is that it was just enough of a win for Lincoln to issue the Emancipation Proclamation. That event made European intervention, on the side of the Confederacy, very unlikely. Without direct European intervention, the prospect of the Confederacy winning the war declined drastically.


15 posted on 03/09/2020 6:56:54 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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Some think McClellan’s drawn battle at Antietam had more impact on the outcome of the war than Gettysburg.

I used to do a briefing on Antietam as McClellan's lost chance to win the war and the Prsidency.

If only he could have gotten rid of his cowardly reticence for one day, and send a cavalry unit around the battlefield to contest/hold the main fords in Lee's rear, he would have been President handily.

No one really liked Lincoln,
16 posted on 03/09/2020 9:08:18 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: golux
Throwing idiots and money at the problem: a Federal Government

So the Confederacy got it's butt kicked by idiots? Not much to be proud if, is it?

17 posted on 03/09/2020 9:10:39 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Bull Snipe
Antietam, I believe, still remains the bloodiest day in American history when the losses on both sides are counted. Gettysburg produced more in total, but it was spread out over three days versus one.

Interestingly, the high losses at Antietam were what prompted Lee to invade western and southern Pennsylvania the following year as he knew the south couldn't win a protracted peace. June 1863 was an interesting month in western and southern Pennsylvania history. Lee's army burned military targets such as the steel works outside of Pittsburgh, but generally behaved in civil fashion otherwise. There is one episode where he sent a cavalry unit commander back to a storekeeper to apologize and pay for headgear they had rather forcibly "traded" to acquire. Quite the contrast to Sherman's army's behavior on their march from Atlanta to Savannah.

18 posted on 03/09/2020 11:48:57 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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“Lee’s army burned military targets such as the steel works outside of Pittsburgh”

Pittsburg is 195 miles from Gettysburg. It is on the West side of the Appalachian Mountains, Gettysburg is on the East side. Doubt Lee sent raiding parties that far away from his army.


19 posted on 03/09/2020 12:46:14 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

Don’t take my word for it, you can look it up. Thaddeus Stevens steel mills were southeast of Pittsburgh.


20 posted on 03/09/2020 1:25:57 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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