Posted on 03/02/2020 3:07:25 AM PST by Bull Snipe
The Commandant of the Marine Corp, General David Berger, has ordered "the removal of fall Confederate-related paraphernalia from Marine Corp installations.
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"Citizens, by birth or choice, of a common country, that country has a right to concentrate your affections. The name of American, which belongs to you in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of patriotism more than any appellation derived from local discriminations." - George Washington
No, his country was Virginia and he defended it against invasion.
The Confederate constitution allowed states to join that did not allow slavery. Your claim is false. The Corwin Amendment would have barred laws that prevented slave ownership in states where it was allowed. The Confederate Constitution did not differ from the US constitution wrt the slave trade. It was barred from everywhere on earth except the US states that allowed it - ie exactly the same as before. Like I said, the Corwin Amendment offered pretty much the same protections of slavery that the Confederate constitution did.
Its not that I keep saying Southerners objected to the North’s economic plundering of the South acting through the federal government. They said it. Repeatedly. I posted numerous quotes. Southerners were of course paying 75% of the tariff. Where the goods land is irrelevant. He who owns the goods pays the tariff - not the port.
Repeat is all you want. Doesn't make it so.
How? If the constitution mandated that all territory the confederacy might acquire must be open to slaves then how could any state from it be slave free? Especially if laws impairing the owning of slaves was also prohibited. The fact is the Confederate constitution made non-slave states impossible.
The Corwin Amendment would have barred laws that prevented slave ownership in states where it was allowed.
Where it currently existed. It did not prevent slavery from being banned from territories or prevent new slave states from being admitted. The Confederate constitution banned both.
Repeatedly. I posted numerous quotes. Southerners were of course paying 75% of the tariff.
But no source for the claims. On the other hand I've quoted figures from congressional reports from just before the start of the rebellion showing upwards of 95% of all tariffs were collected in Northern ports. If 75% of imports were destined for Southern consumers then wouldn't they go to Southern ports?
So 5 million southerners owned 75% of the goods imported into the US and 22 million northerners therefore owned 25%. What did this southerners do with it all then?
What do you think happened with all that Cotton, Indigo, Tobacco and Sugar that was exported? Who owned that stuff?
When a tariff is put on imported goods the importer has to eat the cost or at least a significant part of it lest he be undercut by domestic suppliers. Generally, the importers cannot afford this and have to pass on some cost to consumers but this results in lost market share.
How? Reread my earlier post. I already provided the quote and the source. Voted down in Montgomery were proposals to bar non slave states from entering the CSA. Go back and check. You’ll find that. The fact is non slaveholding states could enter the CSA. You are simply wrong when you claim that the Confederate constitution barred non slaveholding states from entering.
Oh and I posted plenty of sources attesting to the fact that Southerners paid about 75% of the tariff. You have posted nothing to refute that. You have no sources for your claims. Why do Wal-Mart and Target land so many of their goods in Long Beach, California? Does this mean the city of Long Beach actually owns those goods and thus pays the tariff?
It is so. Virginia was his country.
So the southern cotton growers were also merchants selling imported goods to consumers?
Yes. Those cash crops were exchanged for manufactured goods. They had to contract with Northern shipping companies to ship the goods over to Europe. To have the ships sail back across the Atlantic with empty holds would have been hugely wasteful. It wasn’t cheap to pay the shipping cost so they had to do as much as possible to recoup those costs. Also, from Britain’s and France’s perspective, if they had had to hand over hard cash instead of selling manufactured goods, they could not have afforded to buy as much of those commodities.....which is exactly what happened during the Tariff of Abominations a generation earlier.
Planters sold to cotton factors at a market price. The factors would mark it up a bit, find buyers, and arrange shipping, buying space on ships. Meanwhile, US merchants and wholesalers would look at the demand from their customers, place orders with foreign manufacturers for goods, arrange transportation, pay the tariff, and sell to customers at some profit.
That is the way it worked. The exporters were the importers. It wasn’t a barter of course but they had to fill those empty holds with something. So what do you bring back across the Atlantic? You don’t just sail empty. That would be hugely expensive and wasteful. The most economical thing to bring back tended to be manufactured goods.
Whether the Planter held onto the cotton directly or whether a Factor bought it, the end result was the same. If Britain’s exports get hit they can’t buy as many imports. If its not economical to put manufactured goods in those ship holds, then the Southern exports are going to have to bear the entire cost of the journey. In both cases the price the Factor can then pay for those commodities is going to crash.
Of course it was.
Great. Glad we agree.
Virginia isn’t and was never a country.
(Jeebus, this is grade-school stuff!)
Perhaps if you actually read the Confederate constitution you would see the error of your argument?
Oh and I posted plenty of sources attesting to the fact that Southerners paid about 75% of the tariff. You have posted nothing to refute that.
OK, this is from "Statement Showing the Amount of Revenue Collected Annually", Executive Document No.33, 36th Congress, 1st Session, 1860". Cities and net duties collected:
New York - $35,155,452.75
Boston - $5,133,414.55
Philadelphia - $2,262,349.57
New Orleans - $2,120,058.76
Charleston - $299,399.43
Mobile - $118,027.99
Galveston - $92,417.72
Savannah- $89,157.18
Norfolk - $70,897.73
Richmond - $47,763.63
Wilmington, NC - $33,104.67
Pensacola - $3,577.60
Key West and St. Marks lost money.
In terms of imports and exports for the Southern ports, the values were:
New Orleans Imports - $20,636,316 Exports - $107,559,594
Charleston Imports - $1,569,570 Exports - $21,179,350
Mobile Imports - $782,061 Exports - $38,670,183
Galveston Imports - $533,153 Exports - $5,722,588.
Savannah Imports - $782,061 Exports - $18,351,554
Norfolk Imports - $201,460 Exports - $479,885
Source is the same. So again, if the South paid 75% of tariffs then why didn't the goods come directly to them?
Sorry. Forgot the </sarcasm> tag.
Gee, I never would have guessed.
Virginia’s sovereignty and the sovereignty of each state was recognized specifically and by name in the 1783 Treaty of Paris.
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