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On May 4, 2013, a sample of #Coronavirus from the very first infected Saudi patient arrived in Canada’s National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg via Ron Fouchier of Erasmus Medical Center in Rotterdam, Netherlands who sequenced the virus.

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This paper revealed the following key information:

The first patient had an onset of disease on December 1st, which was not associated with the seafood market.

The first patient had no epidemic association with subsequent patients.

On December 10th, another 3 cases had occurred, of which 2 were not related to South China seafood market.

Starting from December 15th, cases with a history of exposure to the seafood market are concentrated.

The paper counts a total of 41 patients, and 14 cases are not related to the seafood market, the proportion exceeds 1/3.

No bats are sold in the seafood market and no trace of bats has been found.

Not only that, but another issue of The Lancet on January 29 analyzed 99 confirmed cases at Jinyintan Hospital, 50 of which had no history of contact with the seafood market. The New England Journal of Medicine also has a paper showing that: Of the 425 cases, 45% of those affected before January 1 had no history of exposure to the seafood market.

Compared with the official report, it can be seen that there are obvious differences between the two. The corresponding official information is as follows:

The first patient’s onset time was December 8th, which was related to the seafood market.

The South China Seafood Market was officially identified as the epidemic source.

The first patient had no history of seafood market contact and the above mentioned 1/3 cases had no seafood market exposure Historical data.

Wuhan Institute of Virology’s Zheng Li et al., published January 23, refers to the horseshoe bats found from Yunnan Province containing a virus whose genome they announced was 96.2% identical to the Wuhan Coronavirus, thus virus from bats become a popular consensus.

[HollyB]

I’m reading this now and wanted yo say Thanks you’ for the post.

[Fresh Wind]

China’s high smoking rate may be exacerbating the coronavirus outbreak

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[central_va]

Wow, another COVID thread, amazing!!!

[null and void]

Oh my Gawd!

Grab a couple cups of coffee and...

READ THE ARTICLE!

...it's a long slog, and there's no love lost between India and China, but still!

If a quarter of it is accurate, this was an act of war!

Not saying the release was deliberate, but that the article outlines every deliberate step leading to it, and deliberate steps to cover it up.

READ THE ARTICLE, please share your thoughts!

Bring Out Your Dead

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

So far the false positive rate is 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

If a quarantine saves just one child's life, it's worth it.

[Sirius Lee]

Peppermint oil in spray form.
It gets rid of spiders.

"Making coronavirus threads useful since 2020" - Serius Lee

[Ancesthntr]

Thank you for posting the link to this article. The article is very long, and the English is not that great, but the substance of the article is that this is a biological weapon. There is simply no way that this coronavirus could have mutated from some other coronavirus in such a short period of time. It had help.

Of course, any paper, no matter how well it seems to have been researched, could be a means of attacking the credibility of a person, company or government (and there is little love list between China and India, to be sure). In other words, you need to take things like this paper with a grain of salt, unless there is other evidence that seems to corroborate it. However, I believe that such corroborating evidence is in plain sight and has been since early January. Without prior knowledge about this disease, it is virtually inconceivable that the Chinese government would have reacted so quickly and so strongly to this outbreak. Quarantining Wuhan and it’s immediate environs (50 million people!) so quickly and so thoroughly in such a short period of time, combined with such a huge effort to build 2 hospitals in less than 2 weeks, is that corroborating evidence, IMHO.

The implications are enormous, both from the standpoint of international relations and simple biology. The last report that I saw yesterday (albeit on the Internet) is that the R(0) of this disease is between 4.5 and 7! That makes it several times as communicable as the flu, which, despite heavy vaccination, infects over 40 million people each year just in this country. That would suggest, especially given the complete lack of a vaccine for this disease, that something well north of 100 million people in this country alone will become infected unless extraordinary measures are taken (and it may well be too late for them to be effective). This disease hides itself quite well, with a generally agreed upon time of up to 14 days after infection until the display of symptoms. Some reports have put that period of time as high as 27 days, though that cannot be verified. Thus, it seems fairly likely that several hundred, if not several thousand people, are already wandering around our country without showing symptoms, but shedding a virus and infecting others in the process. The only (seemingly) bright spot here is that something north of 80% of those infected even in China, with its fairly primitive medical system, only experience symptoms equivalent to a mild case of the flu. It is only among the elderly or the immune compromised that there are big problems. However, even if only 5% of those ultimately infected have those problems, this poses a huge problem - namely, the overwhelming of our healthcare system. As things stand, our hospitals are fairly close to capacity, just dealing with normal infections, injuries, heart attacks, etc. Add hundreds of thousands or more of infected people from this disease, and combined that with the dependence that we have upon China for antibiotics and many medical supplies, which they have stopped or significantly slowed down the export of, and we plainly have a very big problem. Not now, maybe not for a couple of months, but certainly not long after that. Overwhelm our medical system, and we become in capable of giving patients with all types of diseases or conditions the kind of care that we are accustomed to in this country. We essentially become a third world country from this standpoint, until the crisis resolves itself.

It is possible, and I certainly hope and pray that this happens, that with the coming of the spring this disease will become very self limiting. However, we certainly cannot count on that, and the experience of the Spanish flu after World War I suggests that we need to be prepared for a disease that will run wild for more than one year, regardless of what season we happen to be in.

I am most certainly not saying that this is the end of the world, because it isn’t. I firmly believe that we will see a death rate of significantly less than 2%, and there is at least a possibility that an Israeli research facility is going to have a vaccine ready for distribution in three or so months. Other experts are, of course also working on both vaccines and cures. Given the vast progress that the world has made in medical science and genetics in the recent past, I am pretty confident that something will be developed within the year that will stop this thing in its tracks. Nonetheless, we have to be prepared for that not to be the case - and for this virus to mutate, People need to do the very simple things that we have learned since we were children about how to stop disease spread, such as washing our hands thoroughly and often, and avoiding contact with people who are obviously sick. People in the job market, or who have kids in school, need to bite the bullet and not go to work or keep their kids at home if there is illness in the family. Making sure that one gets enough sleep and good nutrition will also help by bolstering ones immune system.

[GOPJ]

In a nutshell, Wuhan virus and Zhoushan virus showed this perfect consistency of E protein, which is difficult to explain with “natural variation”.

Four months later in July 2019, group of Chinese virologists were forcibly dispatched from Canadian lab – the only level-4 facility equipped to handle the world’s deadliest diseases where #Coronavirus sample from the first Saudi patient was being examined. https://t.co/7yKmuTtIgu

— GreatGameIndia (@GreatGameIndia) January 27, 2020

[LucyT]

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