Posted on 03/01/2020 1:57:33 AM PST by tired&retired
As Wuhan’s Coronavirus poses an increasing global threat, more and more experts from various countries have also cast more attention to the source of the new crown virus (COVID-19 or SARS-CoV-2). In this scientific investigation on the mysterious origin of Coronavirus we explore the sources of New Coronavirus from five major areas, including epidemiological investigation, virus gene comparison, cross-species infection research, key “intermediate hosts” and the findings on the Wuhan P4 lab, to provide readers with a deep and completely scientific perspective.
Two months have elapsed since the outbreak of New Coronavirus in Wuhan, but the scientific community’s knowledge is still very limited on the mysterious “COVID-19” (also called SARS-CoV-2, formerly known as WHO-2019-nCoV by WHO, referred to as New Coronavirus in this report).
Is the South China Seafood Market the source of the outbreak? What role does the closely watched P4 laboratory the Wuhan Institute of Virology play? Chinese Communist Party (CCP) officials insist that the new Coronavirus came from the original host bat, and several scholars from South China Agricultural University even claimed that they found an intermediate host – pangolin. However, the scientific community’s research on the viral gene sequence and the comparison and verification of a large number of scientific literature show that the source of the virus is not so simple.
(Excerpt) Read more at greatgameindia.com ...
Good thread to follow *scroll down a bit.
Iranian man fell out on the street as people walk by.
https://mobile.twitter.com/dailydigger19
Are you gals doing my cryptograms each morning?
Trump’s been a hoot, hasn’t he?
"Making coronavirus threads useful since 2020" - Serius Lee
Thanks to both of you. Quite the plot thickener.
Thank you for posting the link to this article. The article is very long, and the English is not that great, but the substance of the article is that this is a biological weapon. There is simply no way that this coronavirus could have mutated from some other coronavirus in such a short period of time. It had help.
Of course, any paper, no matter how well it seems to have been researched, could be a means of attacking the credibility of a person, company or government (and there is little love list between China and India, to be sure). In other words, you need to take things like this paper with a grain of salt, unless there is other evidence that seems to corroborate it. However, I believe that such corroborating evidence is in plain sight and has been since early January. Without prior knowledge about this disease, it is virtually inconceivable that the Chinese government would have reacted so quickly and so strongly to this outbreak. Quarantining Wuhan and it’s immediate environs (50 million people!) so quickly and so thoroughly in such a short period of time, combined with such a huge effort to build 2 hospitals in less than 2 weeks, is that corroborating evidence, IMHO.
The implications are enormous, both from the standpoint of international relations and simple biology. The last report that I saw yesterday (albeit on the Internet) is that the R(0) of this disease is between 4.5 and 7! That makes it several times as communicable as the flu, which, despite heavy vaccination, infects over 40 million people each year just in this country. That would suggest, especially given the complete lack of a vaccine for this disease, that something well north of 100 million people in this country alone will become infected unless extraordinary measures are taken (and it may well be too late for them to be effective). This disease hides itself quite well, with a generally agreed upon time of up to 14 days after infection until the display of symptoms. Some reports have put that period of time as high as 27 days, though that cannot be verified. Thus, it seems fairly likely that several hundred, if not several thousand people, are already wandering around our country without showing symptoms, but shedding a virus and infecting others in the process. The only (seemingly) bright spot here is that something north of 80% of those infected even in China, with its fairly primitive medical system, only experience symptoms equivalent to a mild case of the flu. It is only among the elderly or the immune compromised that there are big problems. However, even if only 5% of those ultimately infected have those problems, this poses a huge problem - namely, the overwhelming of our healthcare system. As things stand, our hospitals are fairly close to capacity, just dealing with normal infections, injuries, heart attacks, etc. Add hundreds of thousands or more of infected people from this disease, and combined that with the dependence that we have upon China for antibiotics and many medical supplies, which they have stopped or significantly slowed down the export of, and we plainly have a very big problem. Not now, maybe not for a couple of months, but certainly not long after that. Overwhelm our medical system, and we become in capable of giving patients with all types of diseases or conditions the kind of care that we are accustomed to in this country. We essentially become a third world country from this standpoint, until the crisis resolves itself.
It is possible, and I certainly hope and pray that this happens, that with the coming of the spring this disease will become very self limiting. However, we certainly cannot count on that, and the experience of the Spanish flu after World War I suggests that we need to be prepared for a disease that will run wild for more than one year, regardless of what season we happen to be in.
I am most certainly not saying that this is the end of the world, because it isn’t. I firmly believe that we will see a death rate of significantly less than 2%, and there is at least a possibility that an Israeli research facility is going to have a vaccine ready for distribution in three or so months. Other experts are, of course also working on both vaccines and cures. Given the vast progress that the world has made in medical science and genetics in the recent past, I am pretty confident that something will be developed within the year that will stop this thing in its tracks. Nonetheless, we have to be prepared for that not to be the case - and for this virus to mutate, People need to do the very simple things that we have learned since we were children about how to stop disease spread, such as washing our hands thoroughly and often, and avoiding contact with people who are obviously sick. People in the job market, or who have kids in school, need to bite the bullet and not go to work or keep their kids at home if there is illness in the family. Making sure that one gets enough sleep and good nutrition will also help by bolstering ones immune system.
Politifact is not a fan of this particular conspiracy theory. If they are correct that this originated with Zero Hedge then my confidence level on a scale of 1-10 is maybe a 2.
generally agree.
one has to assume this was sequenced immediately and he was briefed on what their conclusions were. presumably 1) bad and 2) escaped pet 3) trajectory unknown but worldwide based on what they saw.
it may be similar enough to work done in UNC etc. that they can figure out a good bit about its potential. there are some topics without much public data (yet) which are potentially worse than the initial worldwide infection wave.
he was also doubtless told that the virus was already here and circulating in small quantities. no other conclusion was possible even pretty early.
that said, wasn’t this late january? when did intelligence realize exactly what type of pet had gotten loose and alert the administration?
I will add that if this was an intentional release at the nation-state level or third-party type org then china may have been framed. Otherwise I tend towards either someone selling bats for extra money OR disgruntled person at the lab decides to watch the world burn.
This confirms what you are saying...
In S Korea in the hot zone of Daegu comes this snapshot of the core source The BBC reports that in Daegu, South Korea, 1900 Shincheonji Church members have been tested for coronavirus. 1300 had symptoms & 600 did not. Among those 1300 with symptoms, 87.5% were confirmed with the virus .
BUT out of the 600 WITHOUT symptoms, 70% were confirmed with coronavirus This shows the sneaky behavior of this virus and why it is becoming hard to contain.
Four months later in July 2019, group of Chinese virologists were forcibly dispatched from Canadian lab – the only level-4 facility equipped to handle the world’s deadliest diseases where #Coronavirus sample from the first Saudi patient was being examined. https://t.co/7yKmuTtIgu
— GreatGameIndia (@GreatGameIndia) January 27, 2020
Isn’t Politifact about as far left as Snopes?
We’ve been saying this (and getting slammed, by many), on the CV LIVE threads, since day one.
The fact that people can walk around for WEEKS, being asymptomatic (withOUT symptoms) is one of the things that makes this horrid virus so dangerous.
Or, so I - and many others - have been slammed for, for disagreeing with....for weeks, here 🙄
Question for both of you...why would China intentionally release the virus within China? I know they have total disregard for human life, Chinese citizens included. Or, do you think it was an accidental release?
I'm pretty sure it wasn't a CCP approved release, they would have waited until they had a vaccine, and not released it on their home turf.
OTOH, I know of no CCP Polit Bureau member who has come down with the WuFlu. Perhaps they had developed a vaccine but not yet gotten it into production when it pulled an Elvis and left the building?...
Accidents happen, especially when it is highly contagious.
the article seems to indicate that it was december
Yer killin’ me!
This article paragraph below supports the suspicions many Freepers have had from day one. -Tom
"These research findings indicate that Wuhan virus is a new type of Coronavirus and overthrew the author’s original assumption that Wuhan virus originated from random natural mutations between different Coronaviruses. In other words, the author believes that the Wuhan virus did not evolve naturally".
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