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How the Horrific 1918 Flu Spread Across America
smithsonianmag.com ^ | Nov. 2017 | john m barry

Posted on 02/29/2020 5:48:03 PM PST by bitt

Haskell County, Kansas, lies in the southwest corner of the state, near Oklahoma and Colorado. In 1918 sod houses were still common, barely distinguishable from the treeless, dry prairie they were dug out of. It had been cattle country—a now bankrupt ranch once handled 30,000 head—but Haskell farmers also raised hogs, which is one possible clue to the origin of the crisis that would terrorize the world that year. Another clue is that the county sits on a major migratory flyway for 17 bird species, including sand hill cranes and mallards. Scientists today understand that bird influenza viruses, like human influenza viruses, can also infect hogs, and when a bird virus and a human virus infect the same pig cell, their different genes can be shuffled and exchanged like playing cards, resulting in a new, perhaps especially lethal, virus.

We cannot say for certain that that happened in 1918 in Haskell County, but we do know that an influenza outbreak struck in January, an outbreak so severe that, although influenza was not then a “reportable” disease, a local physician named Loring Miner—a large and imposing man, gruff, a player in local politics, who became a doctor before the acceptance of the germ theory of disease but whose intellectual curiosity had kept him abreast of scientific developments—went to the trouble of alerting the U.S. Public Health Service. The report itself no longer exists, but it stands as the first recorded notice anywhere in the world of unusual influenza activity that year. The local newspaper, the Santa Fe Monitor, confirms that something odd was happening around that time: “Mrs. Eva Van Alstine is sick with pneumonia...Ralph Lindeman is still quite sick...Homer Moody has been reported quite sick...Pete Hesser’s three children have pneumonia

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To: RummyChick
And perhaps it is not all that reliable.

I posted the stats on how reliable influenza tests are.

41 posted on 02/29/2020 8:52:40 PM PST by TigersEye (MAGA - 16 more years! - KAG)
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To: TigersEye

Pretty sure that test is not testing for Influenza A or B..and here are the stats for those tests

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/diagnosis/rapidlab.htm


42 posted on 02/29/2020 8:57:36 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

btw, people who are quarantined after having been on a virus ship are going to get more than just a rapid flu test

more like a molecular assay..but perhaps a Dr can actually clarify


43 posted on 02/29/2020 9:00:15 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Molecular testing is recommended for all hospitalized patients with suspected influenza.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/diagnosis/molecular-assays.htm


44 posted on 02/29/2020 9:03:38 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Seems like good news. I guess.


45 posted on 02/29/2020 9:07:17 PM PST by CJ Wolf ( #wwg1wga)
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To: RummyChick

It’s the same test but why don’t you just believe whatever you like. How about that?


46 posted on 02/29/2020 9:08:47 PM PST by TigersEye (MAGA - 16 more years! - KAG)
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To: TigersEye

Coronavirus is not Influenza A or B. Why would it be the same test?


47 posted on 02/29/2020 9:13:00 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: catnipman

Don’t you think a doctor in communist China would be purposely downplaying the risk as opposed to amplifying it?


48 posted on 02/29/2020 9:13:44 PM PST by bigdaddy45
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To: griffin

Oh I’m sorry, are there certain establishments we aren’t allowed to frequent? I take it you are not an Amazon user?


49 posted on 02/29/2020 9:14:42 PM PST by bigdaddy45
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To: RummyChick

Question:

One more technical question. Have you determined whether there are any variants of this virus so that a person who may have gotten it and then gotten over it, could get it again?

Dr Fauci:

No, there’s no indication that that’s going on at all. If this virus acts like other viruses, which I have no reason to believe it won’t, once you’ve gotten infected and recovered, you’re not going to get infected with the same virus.

https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=eH8ESVyYRHXqJWW7SioX7sqp7zmyjrn9mAsj_HKxMo0oUUGqQOkRxFI-t-2ElqsvmytjBthZUNsZRBsjO8NtPDAbPqw&loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&ts=2009.6


50 posted on 02/29/2020 9:15:48 PM PST by narses (Censeo praedatorium gregem esse delendum. (The gay lobby must be destroyed))
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To: RummyChick

What?

I posted info on a flu test. You posted info on a flu test. The same flu test.


51 posted on 02/29/2020 9:15:50 PM PST by TigersEye (MAGA - 16 more years! - KAG)
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To: bigdaddy45

It was a joke.


52 posted on 02/29/2020 9:17:09 PM PST by Mears
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To: bigdaddy45

In this case it was a Dr trying to get the information out. Much like the Dr who initially tried to get info out to the public despite the govt and who ended up dead from the virus.

There are health care workers that have been trying to get info out to the world despite their Commie regime who could decide to kill them.


53 posted on 02/29/2020 9:17:13 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

My theory is that it is simply something that occurs when you have been infected. It comes back sometimes. The tests are unreliable of course it’s new. but we will get better at identifying it, which we are. The meds will be along shortly... but in the meantime prepare, pray and pray again.


54 posted on 02/29/2020 9:19:41 PM PST by CJ Wolf ( #wwg1wga)
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To: TigersEye

Sorry,I thought you meant the test for the virus was an Influenza test.

It is a different test. Different results. etc.

And once you are in the hospital you will notice they recommend using a different test than the 95% specificity test rapid test.


55 posted on 02/29/2020 9:19:48 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: lightman

Exactly. I was quarantined back in the early 40s......announced in school and a big Q sign on the front door.


56 posted on 02/29/2020 9:21:05 PM PST by Mears
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To: 9422WMR

Aspirin a cause of death?


57 posted on 02/29/2020 9:24:20 PM PST by GOPJ ( http://www.tinyurl.com/cvirusmap https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/usmap.htm)
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To: CJ Wolf

So sort of like a shingles type of thing that you get it again because it is in your body...(but perhaps not a life long worry that it will flair up 20 years from now).. rather than you are recovered cured and you caught it again because you were around it again.

I think way too much is unknown on this. I think it is still in your body despite negative test..and you could be shedding it .

Not sure if the molecular assay test would be negative if it was still in your body but that is far above my knowledge.

When you are in a military hospital in Japan they are not going to release you just on some basic rapid test saying you are cured

There is some heavy duty evidence that you are cured before they you let go to Israel.

So it is curious as to how he suddenly got sick again.Btw, the guy who got it again is the brother of someone who also had it and was at that hospital., IIRC.


58 posted on 02/29/2020 9:28:11 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: Boardwalk

Preparations are already being made to close some schools. Not all, but some.


59 posted on 02/29/2020 9:31:05 PM PST by StolarStorm
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To: GOPJ

Might be a myth..might not

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ten-myths-about-1918-flu-pandemic-180967810/

No specific anti-viral therapies were available during the 1918 flu. That’s still largely true today, where most medical care for the flu aims to support patients, rather than cure them.

One hypothesis suggests that many flu deaths could actually be attributed to aspirin poisoning. Medical authorities at the time recommended large doses of aspirin of up to 30 grams per day. Today, about four grams would be considered the maximum safe daily dose. Large doses of aspirin can lead to many of the pandemic’s symptoms, including bleeding.

However, death rates seem to have been equally high in some places in the world where aspirin was not so readily available, so the debate continues.


60 posted on 02/29/2020 9:31:47 PM PST by RummyChick
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