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1 posted on 02/24/2020 9:08:51 PM PST by NachOsten
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It is possible you should remember you just watched a stupid movie, not real life, or even real literature.
2 posted on 02/24/2020 9:12:32 PM PST by hinckley buzzard (Power is more often surrendered tha)
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To: NachOsten
You watched a film version (which? there were several) of George Orwell's "1984?" Your description doesn't sound at all like that!

Regards,

3 posted on 02/24/2020 9:15:42 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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...even though Marx & Engels were English...

Eh? By "English", do you mean "German"?
4 posted on 02/24/2020 9:16:10 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: NachOsten

Lenin was exiled in Switzerland, not England, and was sent to Russia along with a bunch of other communists by Germany.


5 posted on 02/24/2020 9:20:25 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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Did you watch this while drinking booze? Do Karl and Freidrich really sound English to you?


13 posted on 02/24/2020 9:33:26 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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> Marx & Engels were English
They were Germans who spent the latter part of their lives in England.
> Lenin; studied in France and went to England ( correct me if I am wrong)
Lenin was educated in Russia and spent his entire formative years there, but later moved around mostly continental Europe because his communist activities attracted unwanted attention from the authorities. The revolution began prior to Lenin returning to Russia; he gained control over the bolsheviks through political means and then led another revolution against the weak government that succeeded the tsar.

Why are continental europeans always so desperate to blame every ill on the dreaded Anglo?


16 posted on 02/24/2020 9:48:08 PM PST by fluorescence
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To: NachOsten
even though Marx & Engels were English,

Huh?

17 posted on 02/24/2020 9:49:12 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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Yeah, the reference to “1984” in your rant title produces confusion because it (the Orwell novel) is so frequently referred to (and so well known by many) that the reader’s mind is automatically primed to evaluate what follows in comparison to the novel.

That said, I’m still looking for a reference by you to earlier revolutions in 20th century Russia; the ones that created the Duma and began the process of trying to turn Russia into a constitutional democracy:

https://www.thoughtco.com/russian-revolutions-1906-1913-1221817

These revolutions and rebellions created the boiling political mess that made possible the “October” Revolution of very late 1917.

I also await a reference to the appalling Russian combat losses in World War 1.

Lenin is reported to have said that the [communist] revolution could not survive if the war continued.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Brest-Litovsk?wprov=sfti1

The Germans wanted a peace treaty with Russia for one reason: the release of Eastern Front divisions that could be redeployed for the massive German Spring 1918 offensive against the Allies. I doubt either Hindenberg or Ludendorff were thinking much beyond somehow winning the war in the West in 1918 before the hordes of American resources and soldiers showed up in force and made victory impossible. That meant getting the Eastern Front shut down. And shutting down the Eastern Front meant getting control over the naisaient Russian Government. Cue V.I. Lenin. It was a big risk but he delivered and that’s all they cared about. In the end, they lost anyway.


27 posted on 02/24/2020 11:06:48 PM PST by Captain Rhino (Determined effort today forges tomorrow.)
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To: NachOsten

Yeah, the reference to “1984” in your rant title produces confusion because it (the Orwell novel) is so frequently referred to (and so well known by many) that the reader’s mind is automatically primed to evaluate what follows in comparison to the novel.

I’m still looking for a reference by you to earlier revolutions in 20th century Russia, the ones that created the Duma and began the process of trying to turn Russia into a constitutional democracy:

https://www.thoughtco.com/russian-revolutions-1906-1913-1221817

These revolutions and rebellions created the boiling political mess that made possible the “October” Revolution of very late 1917.

I also await a reference to the appalling Russian combat losses in World War 1.

Lenin is reported to have said that the [communist] revolution could not survive if the war continued.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Brest-Litovsk?wprov=sfti1

The Germans wanted a peace treaty with Russia for one reason: the release of Eastern Front divisions that could be redeployed for the massive German Spring 1918 offensive against the Allies. I doubt either Hindenberg or Ludendorff were thinking much beyond somehow winning the war in the West in 1918 before the hordes of American resources and soldiers showed up in force and made victory impossible. That meant getting the Eastern Front shut down. And shutting down the Eastern Front meant getting control over the naisaient Russian Government. Cue V.I. Lenin. It was a big risk but he delivered.


28 posted on 02/24/2020 11:09:19 PM PST by Captain Rhino (Determined effort today forges tomorrow.)
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To: NachOsten

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087803/

FILM 1984

Well done.


37 posted on 02/25/2020 2:20:54 AM PST by Chickensoup (Voter ID for 2020!! Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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