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Did coronavirus originate in Chinese government laboratory? Scientists believe killer disease may have begun in research facility 300 yards from Wuhan wet fish market
UK Daily Mail ^ | February 16, 2020 | Ross Ibbetson

Posted on 02/17/2020 5:21:13 AM PST by C19fan

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To: Moonman62
"This is another attempt to scare people."

Not so fast there. In Texas, we've had a least two of escapes at the monkey lab. Lackland AFB is between the monkey lab (largest lab for baboons in the world) and a Bio-Safety level 4 lab.

This guy and 3 buddies pushed a 55 gallon barrel up against a fence to help them climb over the fence. The initial scare was them getting hit on the street or ending up at Sea World.

41 posted on 02/17/2020 7:40:22 AM PST by bgill
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To: Pearls Before Swine

There’s been DNA chatter going on for several days about this being more harmful for Asian people (particularly Chinese and Japanese) and less harmful for Europeans (particularly Finns and Spaniards). If it’s not designed in a lab....it’s something that has been sitting around for thousands of years in some cave...waiting on contact with a human.


42 posted on 02/17/2020 7:51:13 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice

About DNA chatter:

What I read is that there are specific lung cell type variants that are more prevalent in Asians than other populations that was correlated with increased ease of entry of the virus into lung tissue. I think the breakdown was that 92% of Chinese/Japanese had this particular lung variant, versus something like 55% of Europeans (Italians were used as the sample).

Its still a major threat, even if there’s a population differential. It’s not like non-Asians are immune.


43 posted on 02/17/2020 7:58:59 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: C19fan

http://www.tinyurl.com/cvirusmap


44 posted on 02/17/2020 8:07:49 AM PST by GOPJ ( http://www.tinyurl.com/cvirusmap https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/usmap.htm)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

So far out of Europe....one death (attributed to a Chinese senior-citizen tourist).

I watched one doctor take apart the Bavarian case of one of these guys. Around day three of feeling kinda sick, German guy (mid-30s) had a temp of 99-degrees. Day four-102.5 degrees. And by day six....the vast majority of the virus had disappeared. I think by day seven, he was attempting to go back to work.

There is some type of genetic code at work here, and the European folks are just getting plain regular flu-status out of this. If it’s not a lab experiment gone wrong, then it’s an extraordinary amount of luck that some strain crossed from an animal in China, and only seriously affects Chinese/Asian people.


45 posted on 02/17/2020 8:12:55 AM PST by pepsionice
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46 posted on 02/17/2020 8:28:45 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: pepsionice

If you search for “coronavirus” and “ACE2”, you’ll see a bunch of difficult to read formal articles. Apparently the receptor for the ACE2 inhibitor is expressed slightly differently in different cells in the body, and also there are human variants. This has been known for a long time (the articles go back about 15 years, and were in part motivated by research on MERS and SARS, also coronaviruses).

Then, I read a more recent article—which I can’t remember the link to—which tallied up information on particular variants of this receptor in lung tissue among different national populations, and showed there was significant variance, as I mentioned in my prior post.

Interesting stuff. No race gets a pass, but some are somewhat more susceptible than others, it was suggested from the information.


47 posted on 02/17/2020 8:51:19 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: C19fan
Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

Deliberate conspiracy is still unlikely. Incompetence, accident, and attempts to cover it starting to look more realistic.

48 posted on 02/17/2020 8:53:21 AM PST by Widget Jr
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To: C19fan

Working on a way to eliminate a quarter billion people without the infrastructure damage a war would cause.


49 posted on 02/17/2020 9:35:15 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: carriage_hill

Mmm Mmm Not Good!

Who the heck would eat that. It’s hard to even look at.

Strange things on the menu in many countries.

Staying in the good old USA!


50 posted on 02/17/2020 9:45:07 AM PST by TheConservativeParty (MAGA KAG)
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To: null and void

Hey there! Could you please add me to the list? I love a good conspiracy theory.


51 posted on 02/17/2020 9:46:48 AM PST by TheConservativeParty (MAGA KAG)
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To: Bon mots

I. Can’t. Even. Imagine. That.
I’d rather eat grass and tree bark, ala NORKS.


52 posted on 02/17/2020 9:50:16 AM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: TheConservativeParty
To get onto the Nut-Job Conspiracy Theory ping list you have to threaten to report me to the Mod Squad if I don't add you.

Open thread or private FReepmail.

Extra credit for dramatic or flowery turns of phrase, vivid imagery or especially creative writing.

Not that you can spend the credits anywhere...

53 posted on 02/17/2020 9:56:57 AM PST by null and void (By the pricking of my lungs, Something wicked this way comes ...)
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To: null and void

LOL
That is how I got on Laz’s list!


54 posted on 02/17/2020 10:52:38 AM PST by TheConservativeParty (MAGA KAG)
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To: TheConservativeParty

It’s a rite of passage...


55 posted on 02/17/2020 10:53:35 AM PST by null and void (By the pricking of my lungs, Something wicked this way comes ...)
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To: pepsionice
...it’s something that has been sitting around for thousands of years in some cave...waiting on contact with a human.

Years after Legionnaire's Disease "broke out", soil samples from newly demolished buildings that were built immediately after the 1906 San Francisco earthquake were found to have the bacteria.

Probably killing for centuries and simply classified as pneumonia, or whatever the flu-du-jour was at the time.

56 posted on 02/17/2020 12:12:18 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: null and void

A way for them to reduce the population


57 posted on 02/17/2020 4:40:51 PM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: C19fan

For those interested in the Scientific Paper,

Here is the PDF for the study:

https://web.archive.org/web/20200214144447/https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339070128_The_possible_origins_of_2019-nCoV_coronavirus

TITLE: THE POSSIBLE ORIGIN OF THE 2019-nCov CORONAVIRUS

by BoTao Xiao and Lei Xiao

ABSTRACT:

The 2019-nCoV has caused an epidemic of 28,060 laboratory-confirmed infections in human including 564 deaths in China by February 6, 2020. Two descriptions of the virus published on Nature this week indicated that the genome sequences from patients were almost identical to the Bat CoV ZC45 coronavirus. It was critical to study where the pathogen came from and how it passed onto human. An article published on The Lancet reported that 27 of 41 infected patients were found to have contact with the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan.

We noted two laboratories conducting research on bat coronavirus in Wuhan, one of which was only 280 meters from the seafood market. We briefly examined the histories of the laboratories and proposed that the coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory. Our proposal provided an alternative origin of the coronavirus in addition to natural recombination and intermediate host.


58 posted on 02/17/2020 5:10:04 PM PST by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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