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To: bolobaby
" 64,457 total cases worldwide (63,863 in China) 1,384 total fatalities (1,381 in China) ...BUT ONLY... 7,155 recovered (7,072 in China) THEREFORE, for *resolved* cases, the current fatality rate *in China* is 1,381/(1,381 + 7,072) = 16.3%."

That is poor logic. The people that have not died are basically just sick, maybe just "infected". You cant just assume they are "causalities" because it pumps up the "OMG" numbers. You also cant then ascribe a "mortality rate" because you have no idea how many people there actually have it. Some of those people have gotten better and are replaced with another person that catches it.

64,457 total cases worldwide (63,863 in China)

1,384 total fatalities (1,381 in China)


And yet for some reason this seems to never spark any curiosity seeing that the people outside of China are not dying anywhere near the same rate?
8 posted on 02/14/2020 10:01:20 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: VanDeKoik

You are not reading this correctly at all.

People who are still sick/infected are heading towards one of two outcomes - recovered or dead. These are *concluded* cases.

Look at is this way: 1,000 people get a new type of cancer at the same time. They all start chemotherapy or whatnot. While in treatment, they have yet to be cured or to die. When one of those two outcomes takes place, we can start determining the mortality rate. So, if 500 of them “conclude” their cases, with 250 dying and 250 recovering, we can see that half are dying off so far.

What’s going to happen to the other half? God only knows. It could be that the 250 that were cured were cured FAST and that the remaining 500 are all on their last legs. Or, it could be that the remaining 500 have one more treatment until being fully recovered. WE DON’T KNOW. We have NO IDEA what the disposition is of those cases in China is yet. Therefore, the ONLY data that makes sense to include in mortality rate is CONCLUDED CASES.


12 posted on 02/14/2020 10:15:15 AM PST by bolobaby
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To: VanDeKoik

Also, the infection is *juuuuust* getting out of China now, so this comment...

“And yet for some reason this seems to never spark any curiosity seeing that the people outside of China are not dying anywhere near the same rate?”

...is also nonsensical.


13 posted on 02/14/2020 10:16:20 AM PST by bolobaby
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To: VanDeKoik

You are right. There could be a large percentage who get infected that do not present.

That knocks the figure way down. But based on the current estimated R0 and the number of people dead in China (the real number) and the time that has elapsed - that’s maybe 20%?

Extremely rough guesses here. But we still seem to be looking at a very high fatality rate.


20 posted on 02/14/2020 10:31:38 AM PST by TheTimeOfMan (The Eloi unexpectedly protected the Morlocks from rogue Eloi as they themselves prepared to be eaten)
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To: VanDeKoik
And yet for some reason this seems to never spark any curiosity seeing that the people outside of China are not dying anywhere near the same rate?

Check back in three weeks and tell me how many of the cohort of currently diagnosed people outside China are still alive, pretty please?

21 posted on 02/14/2020 10:33:34 AM PST by null and void (The democrats just can't get over the fact that they lost an election they themselves rigged!)
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To: VanDeKoik

You can only calculate the fatality rate from resolved cases. Once all those unresolved cases are resolved one way or the other, we’ll have better numbers. (HA! CCP numbers are BS! We all know this.) But what we have now is what we have to work with.

But the reason that the numbers in Wuhan are so high, and everywhere else seems so much lower (including the rest of mainland China) is because the medical facilities in Wuhan have been overwhelmed. This is not the case outside of China.

Containment is key. Anywhere containment fails will go the way of Wuhan once the medical facilities are saturated.

Containment is key.

The southern border should be closed NOW. 100% shut down. We have no idea what’s happening in Central America, but we do know there is a significant Chinese presence there. Same for Africa, but we don’t get migrant caravans from Africa (but Europe does, sort of...)

It’s probably too late, but quarantines and restrictions will slow the Wuhanic Plague down, at least somewhat, and probably save lives. Were it my purview I’d start shutting down international travel from any place with a significant number of infected, and so forth. But, as I said, it’s probably too late.


65 posted on 02/14/2020 1:13:24 PM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Progressive Mafia.)
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To: VanDeKoik

64,457 total cases worldwide (63,863 in China)

1,384 total fatalities (1,381 in China)

And yet for some reason this seems to never spark any curiosity seeing that the people outside of China are not dying anywhere near the same rate?


On another thread from yesterday, someone posted a theory that goes something like this: Perhaps some truly bad bio-weapon was accidentally released from the weapons lab near Wuhan and another much weaker virus was released that is now in a number of countries...That milder virus being released as a cover so China doesn’t have to come clean on the more dangerous bio-weapon...

I found the theory interesting because it might help explain the seemingly higher death rate in Wuhan and the surrounding region...

and the quarantine facilitates this as well as the fact that WHO docs have not been allowed into Wuhan—at least that was the case a few days ago....

Eh maybe I need some tin foil to add to my prepper shopping list...but I did find the theory interesting.


93 posted on 02/14/2020 9:15:31 PM PST by Freedom56v2
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