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B(ay) A(rea) R(apid) T(ransit) has lost nearly 10 million passengers on nights and weekends. Can it lure them back? [ed]
SF Chronicle ^ | February 12, 2020 | Rachel Swan

Posted on 02/13/2020 11:47:12 AM PST by C19fan

BART has lost nearly 10 million night and weekend passengers in just four years at a time when the region is enthusiastically promoting a transit first philosophy.

Data from the four-county rail system shows the disconnect between Bay Area transportation habits and purported Bay Area values. Though trains continue to fill during rush hour, fewer people are riding BART to museums, parks or shopping centers.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfchronicle.com ...


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: bart; ca; crime; homeless
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To: C19fan

My wife used to work for Alaska airlines in Seattle and we would sometimes go on weekend “day trips” to places like Burbank airport, rent a convertible for the day, and come back that night. It was a lot of fun.

But one day we decided to visit San Francisco by flying to Oakland. We took the bus to the bart station and the crowd there gave us the willies. We’ve been all over the country but that felt so incredibly dangerous that we literally grabbed the next bus back to the airport and hightailed it back to Seattle.

This was about ten years ago. Now that my daughter left Studio City, we don’t expect to ever go to California again in our lifetime. I’ve lived in Vallejo, Napa and Anaheim (all in the 60’s). That state no longer has anything good to offer us and plenty of bad to offer.


21 posted on 02/13/2020 12:01:03 PM PST by cuban leaf (The political war playing out in every country now: Globalists vs Nationalists)
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To: C19fan

The stench of the truly unwashed can be overpowering.


22 posted on 02/13/2020 12:02:08 PM PST by xp38
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To: Erik Latranyi

This is the sort of subject, which we aren’t supposed to talk about, lest someone be offended or accused of some sort of bigotry.

We aren’t allowed to talk about why people avoid public transportation especially at night.

We aren’t allowed to talk about why inner City schools are such failures.

We aren’t allowed to talk about why so many big city ghettos are hell.holes, or who perpetrates problems there.

We aren’t allowed to talk about why some shopping malls have gone downhill.

There are a whole host of subjects which we aren’t allowed to talk about frankly.


23 posted on 02/13/2020 12:02:14 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: C19fan

They are also using the system as a toilet. You cannot be anywhere in that system where you cannot smell shit and piss.


24 posted on 02/13/2020 12:02:36 PM PST by wildcard_redneck (If the Trump Administration doesn't prosecute the coup plotters he loses the election in 2020)
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To: C19fan

To put it in percentages, BART’s ridership in 2019 was 15% lower than in 2015. “Non-essential” staff like security and cleaning services would be first in line for reductions to make up for the revenue losses.


25 posted on 02/13/2020 12:03:09 PM PST by CatOwner
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To: BBQToadRibs

No sane person wants to go to Seattle anytime, it’s getting like Chicago/Baltimore/Atlanta etc., worse at night.


26 posted on 02/13/2020 12:03:26 PM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: uranium penguin
That was NOT my point at all!

If over the last many decades some small percentage of regular BART riders were armed, a few attacks would have been stopped short.

That would be sufficient to discourage the trouble makers.

Unfortunately, California's unconstitutional restrictions make walking out your front door "knowingly putting yourself into a bad situation".

27 posted on 02/13/2020 12:05:23 PM PST by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: cuban leaf
I’ve lived in Vallejo, Napa and Anaheim (all in the 60’s).

That was Livin' the CA Dream"

28 posted on 02/13/2020 12:05:48 PM PST by C19fan
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To: uranium penguin

Well it’s nice to have when trouble comes looking for you.


29 posted on 02/13/2020 12:08:08 PM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: uranium penguin

My wife and her sister were going to take BART to San Francisco to jump on a plane. I said I’ll take you.


30 posted on 02/13/2020 12:15:01 PM PST by Rj Snows (Some years back Sacramento area used to be the capital of tomatoes)
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To: C19fan

I was in third grade when we lived in Anaheim. I could see the materhorn from my bedroom window. :)

We would roller-skate on the sidewalks in our apartment complex and play croquet in the grass. There was an orange orchard across the street from our grade school around the block.

My wife and I visited it around the turn of the century. It’s now got a chain link fence on the edge of the street and it looks like an excellent place to satisfy all your illegal drug purchasing needs. It went from classic “1960’s family friendly post war US” to urban blight.


31 posted on 02/13/2020 12:16:00 PM PST by cuban leaf (The political war playing out in every country now: Globalists vs Nationalists)
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To: Bob434

Actually, Pelosi’s son, Paul,Jr. wants that contract!


32 posted on 02/13/2020 12:16:35 PM PST by Grampa Dave (I feel very fortunate to be living in the time of PRESIDENT TRUMP. (Thanks to rrrod!))
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To: C19fan; All

Up until three years ago, BART from SFO to Walnut Creek was acceptable. Now, we drive, and more frequently, Uber as the city continues toeliminate parking.


33 posted on 02/13/2020 12:16:44 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isnÂ’t common anymore.)
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To: cuban leaf
I’ve lived in Vallejo, Napa and Anaheim (all in the 60’s). That state no longer has anything good to offer us and plenty of bad to offer.

I lived in Fullerton up to 1997. I went back to visit in 2002 and have not been back since. It is a crime what has happened to California. And I wonder where the bottom is....

34 posted on 02/13/2020 12:21:00 PM PST by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel.)
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To: C19fan
One word: CRIME. Who wants to ride when it's dangerous?
35 posted on 02/13/2020 12:22:05 PM PST by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel.)
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To: cuban leaf
I was in third grade when we lived in Anaheim. I could see the materhorn from my bedroom window. :)

We used to be able to see the fireworks every night from our upstairs.

36 posted on 02/13/2020 12:24:26 PM PST by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel.)
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To: SkyDancer
it’s getting like Chicago/Baltimore/Atlanta etc....

Has Atlanta gotten really bad too?!

37 posted on 02/13/2020 12:25:31 PM PST by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel.)
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To: cuban leaf

Vallejo could be one of the best places to live.

It is a paradox with some good areas and good places.

Other areas are no go areas at night and even during the day.

Vallejo is no longer, a murder capitol. However, its crime rate exceeds California and the nation in most categories:

A comprehensive overview of any and all yearly reported crimes in Vallejo, CA is shown in the table above.

In order to provide more clarity, the total number of crimes is shown as well as the amount of crimes committed per 100,000 people.

The crimes indicated in the table are separated into two different categories. These categories are property crimes and violent crimes.

According to the table, the overall crime rate is 57% higher than the average of crimes committed in California.

It is also 72% higher than the national average. When it comes to violent crimes, Vallejo, CA shows a crime rate that is 71% higher than the California average. The crime rate is also 101% higher than the national average.

When it comes to property crimes, Vallejo, CA is shown to be 54% higher than the California average and 67% higher than the national average.

https://www.areavibes.com/vallejo-ca/crime/


38 posted on 02/13/2020 12:26:20 PM PST by Grampa Dave (I feel very fortunate to be living in the time of PRESIDENT TRUMP. (Thanks to rrrod!))
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To: Rummyfan

Oh yeah - downtown is just awful.


39 posted on 02/13/2020 12:27:00 PM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Rummyfan

When I lived there they didn’t do the fireworks, at least that I remember.

I just checked google maps. The neighborhood was east of I-5. It’s all gone now, Not even the school remains.


40 posted on 02/13/2020 12:27:20 PM PST by cuban leaf (The political war playing out in every country now: Globalists vs Nationalists)
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