Posted on 02/11/2020 5:11:45 PM PST by Vermont Lt
“...who was studying Decision Sciences and...”
Kind of ironic. Bad choice to try to ride it out.
Great. I just drove thru Troy last night. Glad I didn’t stop. But its only 2.5 hours from my home.
When I looked at the book, last week, on Amazon it was 10.00....it’s now 17.00.
*** Yeah.
The Texas site is very unhelpful! ***
Well, it says the decision tree for testing follows CDC guidelines. So, that means the US/CDC is sadly lacking in test kits, and/or wants to deny testing/treatment so numbers will look better “on paper” than reality, or they think healthcare workers are retarded, and must rely on the government to dictate who gets testing, and treatment.
I was talking about this two weeks ago. I am sure the little clique of Emergency Management and Infectious Disease Control has expanded by now. They are probably being told they cannot over order things outside the budget.
If the SHTF there will be clinical staff walking off the job.
Hospitals are big business these days. But unlike big biz, they don’t do a ton of risk management.
If I may offer a suggestion?
People who are not regulars here (and sometimes I’m gone for months!) drop by here (FR) all the time. In an ongoing situation that generates a sequence of threads to keep up with events as they develop, maybe the thread poster(s) could provide a link to the previous thread in their comment #1. Even better would be to make this cumulative, so that each successive thread posted would start off with the links to the whole sequence. That way it would be obvious to those who “pop in” or lurk that there has been a LOT of discussion ongoing, and if such as in this situation the FReeper “popping in” happens upon a thread newly created, they can with one click jump back to the prior thread to get a better sense of what’s going on. There’s often a lot of great info. here - one just needs to sift through the wilder stuff on either side...
We FReepers tend to forget that MOST people aren’t glued to the news so much, have tight schedules, and so on.
Vermont Lt, thank you for being gracious - FR needs more like you.
Someone once commented on FR that FReepers will throw the chairs at each other, but most are actually really good people. I try to keep that in mind - not always successfully, I suppose, because we do have a few ornery types here who just like to argue for the heck of it.
GranTorino, might I suggest that if your comment had had a question mark at the end, it would have raised less ire.
Links to a couple prior “live” threads about this virus:
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3815321/posts
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3815061/posts
All (and me too): No one can be knowledgeable in everything. Please do a ten count B4 bashing others on our side. And in this, most all of us should be on the same side. If this virus really gets loose in the US and if that Ro number really is around 5, we may be needing that neighbor we derided...
What I see is typical bureaucratic buck-passing.
And laziness.
Hope they do better.
Or just a link to the last thread.
Nice of people to run this thread. No use asking more of them.
I like the wide responses. Any thing between “it’s nothing” and “it’s aliens” is fine with me.
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But if all the roads are dug up or blocked by dirt piles, wrecked cars/trash or jersey barriers, how do they get them out to be treated?
when comparing seasonal flu numbers of different nations there are a couple of things I think are important to consider:
Exposure risk:
America is an open society where people may travel freely. The US population is 330 Million. Last year, 80 million people visited the USA - equivalent to 25% of the population.
China is a closed and controlled society. It has a population of 1.4 Billion and a predicted 180m visitors for 2020 - equivalent to 10% of their population.
So while both China and America have native seasonal flu’s, America’s exposure risk is over twice that of China.
Weather:
China is a holiday destination in late Dec-mid Jan, receiving a mass migration of tens of millions from ‘tropic’ countries at a time when there are few active flu cases. Celebrations in Asia bring thousands of people to events. But at the middle of the flu season (midJan-Mar) when winter conditions drive a mobile population into closer contact for longer periods of time due to cold weather, America becomes the return destination for many of those same travelers. And some who pick up the flu elsewhere will die once back in America.
Overall:
A high rate of viral introduction in a gentically mixed population with a considerable number of elderly and disabled, weather patterns favorable for viral growth, lack of caste systems separating populations, and an optional vaccines policy for an annually shape-shifting virus, will drive US flu rates higher than that of a closed society with intense but transient exposure to the outside world. Closed societies better able to publicly fudge numbers for political purposes. Like China putting seasonal flu deaths under an end-stage result, like renal failure, instead of calling it flu-related pneumonia.
That’s how I see it, anyway.
informational tidbit:
Community of Baibuting, where the feast of 10,000s was held Jan 18. 33 of the 55 buildings in the Anjuyuan complex had high numbers of symptomatics.
netizen reporter, about 13 min in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot7QPRq6xYE
Shanghai:
Coronavirus cases in Shanghai climb over 300
48 have recovered. 10 are in critical condition.
https://shanghai.ist/2020/02/11/coronavirus-cases-in-shanghai-climb-over-300/
BUT - Mr. Businessman says there are over 500 cases reported in the Sungjong area. It’s reported 14 cases and has stayed 14 for a week so they are reporting only govt numbers published in social media:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEfLhbWEafw
govt gave a choice: come to work or work from home. He says govt and 90% of private companies are working from home. Private hospitals less crowded than public hospitals
and just so folks feel really safe, “A disinfection passage in China’s Shanghai can kill 99% of viruses in 20 seconds”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJsi53qCWPs.
comments????
Shanghai coronavirus vlog: Use a hairdryer to give your face masks a new life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fc5i-hp3A0
position: 24 day incubation is highly possible a result of reinfection (double exposure) needs to be addressed at next mtg of WHO
Study of 1,099 patients, 552 hospitals in 13 provinces.
women: 41%
ICU admissions: 55 (5%)
Mortality: 15 (1.36%)
proposed: median incubation 3 days to 14 days (range 0-24 days)
more:
Dr. Roger Seheult
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o804wu5h_ms
Possible reinfection. Wow.
March ARB quarantined briefly speaks before release - how they kept themselves busy - were relieved to be quarantined to make sure they were ok and “no stigma”. Sounds happy (no doubt!)
Matthew McCoy on ABC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzPernmcvLY
Per Mike Adams:
"What all this means is that China is going to power through the pandemic at gunpoint, forcing workers to run the machines until they literally drop dead. At that point, rapid response cremation teams will scurry away with the bodies and heave them into mass ovens that are already running 24/7."
"China will soon dispense will all safety gear such as hazmat suits, masks and gloves. For one thing, eliminating the gear creates the (false) impression that the virus no longer exists. But more importantly, the government has already come to realize that everyone is going to be exposed sooner or later. They know that roughly 85% will survive exposure and 15% will die. The 85% will be able to come into contact with the virus even while wearing no safety gear, since they’ve already been exposed and cured. According to media reports, even China’s own military and police personnel are already largely infected. It’s getting to the point where wearing protective gear is pointless".
"Effectively, the Chinese government has now decided to run a massive medical experiment called, “expose everyone and see what happens.” They figure they can still survive after a 15% mortality rate, especially since Chinese citizens own no guns and have no First Amendment freedoms to speak out."
http://news.trust.org//item/20200212123539-4ll2l/
Cambodia to allow cruise ship shunned over virus fears to dock
by Reuters
Wednesday, 12 February 2020 13:10 GMT
By James Pearson and Juarawee Kittisilpa
HANOI/BANGKOK, Feb 12 (Reuters) - Cambodia has agreed to let a cruise ship that has been turned away by five countries over fears that someone aboard may have the coronavirus dock and disembark its passengers, the Holland America Line said on Wednesday
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