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VERY INTERESTING LINK POSTED BY FARCESENSITIVE:
Written By: Case Adams, Naturopath
Originally published on www.plantmedicines.org

“Research over the past two decades shows that certain herbal medicines can fight the new Wuhan coronavirus contagion.
Let’s review the evidence showing that certain plant medicines can fight similar viral infections such as SARS, MERS and Ebola, and why this can also apply to the Wuhan coronavirus.” ...SNIP...

“The elderly and young children are most at risk from the infection. This is similar to SARS, though it appears nCoV-2019 is less lethal than SARS and MERS. About 15 to 20 percent of cases can become severe. The lethal rate is about 1 in 10 according to doctors”...SNIP...

VERY INTERESTING RESEARCH ABOUT VARIOUS THINGS WHICH HAVE BEEN EFFECTIVE IN WARDING OFF OR HELPING RECOVERY FROM SARS, MERS, HIV, AND OTHER DISEASES—LOTS OF REFERENCES AND LINKS TO RESOURCES/STUDIES.

1/30/2020, 4:26:13 PM · 1,155 of 1,271
Farcesensitive to Kalam; All
Can Herbal Medicines Fight Wuhan Coronavirus?
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/can-herbal-medicines-fight-wuhan-coronavirus

PDF Human coronavirus Protocol Canada - Virox Technologies Inc.
https://virox.com
Human coronavirus Cleaning and Disinfection Protocol

This document has been developed in accordance with current applicable infection control and regulatory guidelines. It is intended for use as a guideline only. At no time should this document replace existing documents established by the facility...
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PDF Guideline for Disinfection and Sterilization in Healthcare …

https://www.cdc.gov/infectioncontrol/pdf/guidelines/disinfection-guidelines-H.pdf

[SARS] Coronavirus) ... Suggested protocol for management of positive biological indicator in a steam ... based recommendations on the preferred methods for cleaning, disinfection and sterilization of patient-care medical devices and for cleaning and disinfecting the healthcare environment.

PAUL FURBER- THREADS RE: C. VIRUS:

Translating the abstract of a 2015 paper on the #coronavirus into English.

The paper is co-authored by Xing-Ye Gi, from the Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China.

“In the version of this article initially published online, the authors omitted to acknowledge a funding source, USAID-EPT-PREDICT funding from EcoHealth Alliance.”

Oh yeah, we were funded by USAID. Didn’t we mention that originally? Oops. ...SNIP...

nature.com/articles/nm041…

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1222515154182602752.html

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The release of the #coronavirus: a theory.
There are lots of facts that seem hard to reconcile with each other about the #coronavirus:
- it was made in China
- it targets Asian people
- it’s release was carefully timed for the largest migration on the planet which is Chinese New Year
- it seems unfinished
- There is no reason for the CCP to target its own people with an epidemic that ends up shutting down 2/3 of its economy in a month
- China just signed a massive trade deal with the US
- It was entirely unprepared for the speed and severity of the outbreak ...SNIP...

P.S. I don’t think it’s likely that the #coronavirus has an HIV component for two reasons. One is technical - see this thread here: ...SNIP...

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1223398102196985856.html

C.VIRUS ARTICLE-CHINESE AUTHORITIES KNEW MORE THAN ADMITTED AT FIRST—DELAY OF TRUTH —PUBLIC ANGER

NIKKI SUN and COCO LIU, Nikkei staff writers

January 31, 2020 03:24 JST Updated on January 31, 2020 14:10 JST
A woman wearing a face mask uses her cellphone as she walks outside Beijing Railway Station as the country is hit by an outbreak of the new coronavirus on Jan. 30. © Reuters

TOKYO/HONG KONG — The deadly new coronavirus from Wuhan was spreading from person to person as early as mid-December, weeks before China officially confirmed such transmission, government-funded Chinese researchers report in a top American medical journal.

The paper in the New England Journal of Medicine analyzes data on the first 425 confirmed cases in the central Chinese city of Wuhan, where the outbreak originated.

“On the basis of this information, there is evidence that human-to-human transmission has occurred among close contacts since the middle of December 2019,” it reads. The paper notes that seven health care workers contracted the virus between Jan. 1 and Jan. 11 — significant evidence of human-to-human transmission.

The findings sharply contrast with the accounts of Wuhan health authorities who had maintained until mid-January that there was “no clear evidence” that the virus could be passed among humans. Officials also claimed Jan. 11 that no health care workers had been infected.

Public acknowledgment only came Jan. 20 via an interview with an expert commissioned by the National Health Commission on state broadcaster CCTV.

The paper also found that only 55% of the 47 infected patients before Jan. 1 were linked to the seafood and live-animal market thought to be ground zero. This means that other patients either got infected elsewhere or from other people. ...snip...

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus-outbreak/Study-suggesting-earlier-human-transmission-fuels-public-anger

REPOSTING LINK TO #51 for future reference:

https://twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/status/1223446336474763265
The New England Journal of Medicine says that 2019 novel corona virus stays with you and you remain a carrier even after you are recovered and no longer showing symptoms.
676 posted on 2/1/2020, 4:51:19 PM by Farcesensitive

http://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3812381/posts?page=676#676

Good Find - Farcesensitive.

STORY FROM THE EPOCH TIMES-IT SEEMS THAT THE OFFICIALS REPSONSIBLE FOR CONTAINING THIS DON’T KNOW ALL THEY SHOULD:

Coronavirus Outbreak

China’s Senior Health Officials Struggle to Answer Questions about Coronavirus, as Another City is Under Full Lockdown
By Nicole Hao February 1, 2020 Updated: February 1, 2020

Several Chinese officials recently had media interview mishaps in which their lack of knowledge about measures to contain the coronavirus was on full display. ...snip...

Hubei governor Wang Xiaodong (center) doesn’t wear a mask; Hubei secretary Bie Bixiong (left) wears a mask, but the mask isn’t covering his nose; Wuhan mayor Zhou Xianwang (right) wears a mask inside out at press conference in Wuhan, China on Jan. 26, 2020. ...snip...

https://www.theepochtimes.com/chinas-senior-health-officials-struggle-to-answer-questions-about-coronavirus-as-another-city-is-under-full-lockdown_3219647.html

LINKS TO SOME BACKGROUND DIGGING REGARDING WORLD HEALTH AND C. VIRUS

NOTE: I HAVE NOT READ THESE-AND SO HAVE NO OPINION ON ANYTHING HEREIN CONTAINED—YET-JUST GRABBING THEM AND PARKING @#51 FOR REVIEW LATER.
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PREDICT-USAID- early warning system for detecting potential epidemics.
https://www.gorilladoctors.org/saving-lives/research/usaid-emerging-pandemic-threats-predict-project/
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Definitions of One Health

One Health is a collaborative, multisectoral, and trans-disciplinary approach - working at local, regional, national, and global levels - to achieve optimal health and well-being outcomes recognizing the interconnections between people, animals, plants and their shared environment.

https://www.onehealthcommission.org/en/why_one_health/what_is_one_health/
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OPINION PIECE BY CELESTE @ SHEPARD’S HEART:

Maybe you believe that global governance is a good thing, but I do not hold that view myself. I have been writing and speaking on One Health for two decades.

https://shepherdsheart.life/blogs/news/one-health-for-all-of-us
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2012-WORLD MEDICAL ASSOCIATION MEETING

At the World Medical Association (WMA) General Assembly meeting in Bangkok last month the WMA and World Veterinary Association (WVA) signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) to “…collaborate in the One-Health Initiative which is a unified approach to veterinary and human medicine (veterinarians and physicians) in order to improve Global Health”.

https://www.wma.net/blog-post/one-health-initiative-wma-and-wva/
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SURVIVING SWING SHIFT—GOODNIGHT ALL SEE YA AT THE POPSYCLE STAND—TOMMORROW AFTER COVFEFE.

Compare...for the common cold, “Your symptoms usually start between 1 and 3 days after you get infected with a cold virus. They typically last for about 3 to 7 days. By then the worst is over, but you may feel stuffed up for a week or more...You’re most contagious during the first 3 days that you’re sick, but it’s still possible to spread it during the first week.”
https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/cold-guide/common_-cold-symptoms#1

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Thanks for the post. Seems we are in agreement. Posting my reply to #51 so that the link to web.md is more easily found.

BRINGING THIS ONE OVER FROM BEYOND THE TREES and POSTING TO #51:

Thai medics claim coronavirus break-through: Patient is declared ‘disease-free’ in 48 hours using HIV and flu drugs
DailyMail.com ^ | 2 February 2020 | ISABELLA NIKOLIC FOR
MAILONLINE
Posted on 2/2/2020, 2:50:04 PM by DannyTN
Thailand has reportedly seen promising results after treating a coronavirus patient with a mix of two antiviral drugs which are usually used to treat HIV.
Medics tested the drug mix on a patient who was in a ‘serious condition’ with the disease and within 48 hours they were declared disease-free, reports Bloomberg.
The drugs, originally used for HIV and influenza treatment, were a success according to a medical briefing given by Dr Kriangsak Attipornwanich. ...SNIP...

http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3813078/posts

Thai medics claim coronavirus break-through: Patient is declared ‘disease-free’ in 48 hours using HIV and flu drugs
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metmom to DannyTN; 2ndreconmarine; 21twelve; 444Flyer; AAABEST; A.Hun; Alamo-Girl; alarm rider; Amalie; ...
Imagine that.
An HIV drug helps beat this virus.
Infectious disease ping.
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Recalling that some time ago, Q had a post concerning HIV drug and big Pharma-noting that was coming later. Can’t remember exact details.

Posting blind, been busy doing science:
Has anyone seen the link codemonkey posted?
https://medium.com/@realAdrianBond/coronavirus-exposed-part-1-communist-coverup-or-pandemic-bioweapon-of-mass-destruction-229ad482c0d3
Now, tinfoil being an accepted mode de chapeau on this thread, what is the possibility that impeachment was a cover for the spread/outbreak of the coronavirus. timelines seem to match with the virus first being seen sometime oct/nov.
—back to lurking

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I saw this earlier, but did not post it, because I was not familiar with the author—not all conspiracy theorists are equal and I didn’t know if this guy was a nutball or not.

Linking your post to post #51 where I’m trying to collect info on this virus to make it easier to review for future reference. Thanks for the post.

Lurk less Post moar.

TRANSFERRING THIS TO POST #51 RE: C.VIRUS-H/T Black Agnes

2/2/2020, 5:22:34 PM · 954 of 990
Black Agnes to greeneyes
https://twitter.com/PuffDragon11/status/1223479108002172928

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Puff Dragon @PuffDragon11 Jan 31 Just read the @zerohedge
piece on the coronavirus.

My PhD is in Mol. Bio. No doubt this is an engineered bioweapon and not natural. Statistically improbably to have 4 segments that map to a completely different virus (HIV) with 100% conservation.

And the fact that it maps to binding ability. It was engineered to be highly infectious. Serious stuff.

Lots of comments on this but here is the way I am looking at it. 4 segments of amino acids, sure found in a lot of other virus and organisms, but none of which are in ANY other corona virus family member. ...snip...

ANOTHER C. VIRUS PAPER FROM BEYOND THE TREES:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3812969/posts

SNIPPET BELOW:

Archives of Virology
October 2010, Volume 155, Issue 10, pp 1563–1569 | Cite as
Angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) proteins of different bat species confer variable susceptibility to SARS-CoV entry
Authors
Authors and affiliations

Yuxuan HouCheng PengMeng YuYan LiZhenggang HanFang LiLin-Fa Wang Zhengli Shi Yuxuan Hou1 Cheng Peng1 Meng Yu2 Yan Li1
Zhenggang Han1 Fang Li3 Lin-Fa Wang2

1.
State Key Laboratory of Virology, Wuhan Institute of VirologyChinese Academy of Sciences (CAS)WuhanChina
2.
Australian Animal Health LaboratoryCommonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization Livestock IndustriesGeelongAustralia
3.
Department of PharmacologyUniversity of Minnesota Medical SchoolMinneapolisUSA
Original Article
First Online: 22 June 2010

Abstract
The discovery of SARS-like coronavirus in bats suggests that bats could be the natural reservoir of SARS-CoV. However, previous studies indicated the angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) protein, a known SARS-CoV receptor, from a horseshoe bat was unable to act as a functional receptor for SARS-CoV.

Here, we extended our previous study to ACE2 molecules from seven additional bat species and tested their interactions with human SARS-CoV spike protein using both HIV-based pseudotype and live SARS-CoV infection assays.

The results show that ACE2s of Myotis daubentoni and Rhinolophus sinicus support viral entry mediated by the SARS-CoV S protein, albeit with different efficiency in comparison to that of the human ACE2.

Further, the alteration of several key residues either decreased or enhanced bat ACE2 receptor efficiency, as predicted from a structural modeling study of the different bat ACE2 molecules.

These data suggest that M. daubentoni and R. sinicus are likely to be susceptible to SARS-CoV and may be candidates as the natural host of the SARS-CoV progenitor viruses. ...SNIP...

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00705-010-0729-6

HERE IS THE THREAD READER FOR THE TWITTER POST FROM PUFF DRAGON 11—EASIER TO READ

PUFF DRAGON SAYS HE HAS A PHD IN MOL BIOLOGY-

PUFF’S CONCLUDING PARAGRAPHS:

5/ I thought China was just being China but combine that with whole city lockdowns and coincidentally a research facility at point of origin? Maybe not a full fledged bioweapon but even if experimental and minor, it escaped.

6/ something with low mortality but highly infectious still has the ability to spread fast and kill many, especially when it has up to 14 days of incubation and non-detection. The extreme measures make sense now. They are trying to prevent the spread.

7/ I hope I am wrong but at this point, too much adds up against incredible odds. And why is everyone in a panic ( city lockdowns, flights canceled, etc) when at this stage flu kills WAY more annually. Just stinks that something is not right.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1223442123761975296.html