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Does anyone understand the Ukraine situation? Past, present, near term, long term?

Posted on 01/26/2020 8:37:18 PM PST by gasport

Michael Caputo had a one hour presentation tonight on OAN devoted to the topic.


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Still confused (contused?)

Where can I get the Cliff Notes?

1 posted on 01/26/2020 8:37:18 PM PST by gasport
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To: gasport

Glenn Beck did a good job. Oliver Stone too. Some FReerers did it here before them.


2 posted on 01/26/2020 8:43:04 PM PST by NorseViking
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To: gasport

Yeah I taped it last night and watched it this morning. Will watch it again because it was rather confusing in spots, and led me to believe perhaps I missed something here and there.


3 posted on 01/26/2020 8:43:49 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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Democrats laundered out tax money thru the Ukraine and other countries. Trump merely asked maybe we outta investigate.


4 posted on 01/26/2020 8:45:22 PM PST by minnesota_bound (homeless guy. He just has more money....He the master will plant more cotton for the democrat party)
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To: Robert DeLong

For starts, a list of the players and a short biography of each would be nice.


5 posted on 01/26/2020 8:47:27 PM PST by gasport (The dung beetle should be the symbol of the Democrat Party)
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Hillary overthrew the government

installed a Nazi coup government

which then launched a war against its own civilian ethnic Russian population

Russia started supplying the ethnic Russians with some arms

Brits did a false flag shooting down MH47

Crimea, almost wholly ethnic Russian, voted to join Russia (92% for) and Russia moved in to claim it

ever since the Obama political crime gang has been looting the country dry and laundering US aid money into their own pockets

need more detail just ask


6 posted on 01/26/2020 8:48:24 PM PST by thoughtomator (... this has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.)
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1. Ukraine is not our problem and not our national security concern.

2. The only people "concerned" are State Department employees who are more upset that someone, Trump, is telling them what US policy is. They have serious butt-hurt.

3. Turns out that members of congress now criticizing Trump actually voted against aid.

4. Obama did not support Ukraine beyond words and some food, etc.

5. Again, not our problem. We should refocus on spending that money here in the US and the military aid in fortifying our southern border.

7 posted on 01/26/2020 8:49:00 PM PST by Reno89519 (No Amnesty! No Catch-and-Release! Just Say No to All Illegal Aliens! Arrest & Deport!)
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To: gasport

Michael is a good friend of mine. He’s on twitter as Michael R Caputo
Face book https://www.facebook.com/michaelrcaputo

He;s very approachable. if you want to reach out to him
He;s told me stories, his wife is from Ukraine


8 posted on 01/26/2020 8:49:43 PM PST by The Mayor (I am outraged at your outrage toward the outrage!)
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To: gasport

Being a shallow sort, I am only aware of their incredibly hot chicks.................


9 posted on 01/26/2020 8:52:57 PM PST by doorgunner69 (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading - T Jefferson)
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There is a necessity to go back to March 2012, when the Ukraine and the EU started this ‘chat’ about a trade agreement. All of this was supposed to open up doors for trade and commerce between the two. The handling of this business, and the mere suggestion that the Ukraine might be invited into the EU, and maybe NATO? That was final straw for pro-Russia figures within the Ukrainian political system.

If the EU had limited this commerce business to just agricultural products...taking baby-steps....then the disintegration of Ukrainian stability would not have occurred, and the need for this stupid natural gas ‘grant’ would never have occurred, and Hunter Biden wouldn’t ever be connected to this story.


10 posted on 01/26/2020 8:53:01 PM PST by pepsionice
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Being a shallow sort, I am only aware of their incredibly hot chicks.................

They leave the West behind.

11 posted on 01/26/2020 8:53:33 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Reno89519

As for your point #5, the aid money to Ukraine is being spent in the US. It’s coming back nice a laundered to the Rat Bastards in the Swamp. Otherwise, right on.


12 posted on 01/26/2020 8:53:58 PM PST by Equine1952 ((You can die on your feet or live down on your knees. You can not do both. Freedom Is not Free))
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To: thoughtomator

I would like an organized list of players and what team are they on. And who in the US is aligned with whom.


13 posted on 01/26/2020 8:54:38 PM PST by gasport (The dung beetle should be the symbol of the Democrat Party)
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Team Bad Guys:

- Democrats & nevertrumpers
- Soros & other globalists
- Poroshenko Nazi coup government
- Merkel’s EU
- UK intelligence
- The UN
- NATO
- corporate-globalist media
- rogue US government bureaucracy (Obama/Bush holdovers)

Team Good Guys:

- regular Americans
- Trump & loyal GOPers
- ethnic Russians defending themselves
- the parts of the USG bureaucracy that Trump forces have regained control over

Team Self-interested

- Putin


14 posted on 01/26/2020 9:09:47 PM PST by thoughtomator (... this has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.)
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That’s pretty good, might want to add regular Ukrainians to the good team. They gotta be tired of getting screwed too.


15 posted on 01/26/2020 9:14:12 PM PST by Equine1952 ((You can die on your feet or live down on your knees. You can not do both. Freedom Is not Free))
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Since they elected someone to clean the mess up that’s a fair claim.


16 posted on 01/26/2020 9:19:40 PM PST by thoughtomator (... this has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.)
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To: thoughtomator

My thought too. They got tired of their crap like we got tired of the Obama’s and the Hillary swamp.


17 posted on 01/26/2020 9:25:49 PM PST by Equine1952 ((You can die on your feet or live down on your knees. You can not do both. Freedom Is not Free))
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To: gasport

I’d betcha Rudy Giuliani has among the better thumbnails in his podcast.

https://nationalfile.com/watch-rudy-exposes-bidens-ukraine-corruption-on-new-podcast/

Before folks jump on my case, Rudy does NOT come off well on TV because he’s just not an instantaneous responder. You can see this if you watch him carefully, and it shows on this podcast.

In the wake of the USSR breakup, Ukraine was a great big bag of money sloshing around, and the highly skilled grifters in our government and outside (Manafort, Podesta, and Soros) sensed this and worked to exploit it ruthlessly.


18 posted on 01/26/2020 9:27:08 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Apoplectic is where we want them)
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Michael Caputo did a radio interview this morning discussing his documentary.

The interview start about 9 mins into Hour 1 and continues to Hour 2.

Hardline Hour 1

Hardline Hour 2

19 posted on 01/26/2020 9:29:06 PM PST by yesthatjallen
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Rudy is corrupt loose cannon. Bad news.


20 posted on 01/26/2020 9:29:36 PM PST by Reno89519 (No Amnesty! No Catch-and-Release! Just Say No to All Illegal Aliens! Arrest & Deport!)
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