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Retired Pope Benedict Warns Francis Against Relaxing Priestly Celibacy Rules
BBC ^

Posted on 01/12/2020 11:17:51 PM PST by nickcarraway

Retired Pope Benedict XVI has issued a defence of priestly celibacy in the Catholic Church as his successor considers easing a ban on married men serving as priests.

Pope Benedict made the appeal in a book co-authored with Cardinal Robert Sarah.

It comes in response to a proposal to allow married men to be ordained as priests in the Amazon region.

Pope Benedict, who retired in 2013, said he could not remain silent on the issue.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: History; Religion
KEYWORDS: catholic; romancatholic
Does anyone want to chip in and send a copy of King Lear to Pope Benedict to remind him he gave up his title to Pope Goneril and Regan Francis.



Why, after I have cut the egg i' th' middle and eat up the
meat, the two crowns of the egg. When thou clovest thy crown i'685
th' middle and gav'st away both parts, thou bor'st thine ass on
thy back o'er the dirt. Thou hadst little wit in thy bald crown
when thou gav'st thy golden one away. (
Act I, Scene 4)

1 posted on 01/12/2020 11:17:51 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Was his resignation simply the result of being a weak old fool? Was he duped into resigning under some sort of belief that a like-minded successor would take his place (rather than the Che Guevara-wannabe who got the gig)? Was he blackmailed or bullied? Will we ever know the truth about what really happened to cause the abdication and the horrific revolution that’s followed?


2 posted on 01/12/2020 11:40:47 PM PST by irishjuggler
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To: irishjuggler

Does it matter? It’s not like the majority (or at least a significant minority) of the priests are following the rules of celibacy anyways.


3 posted on 01/12/2020 11:52:38 PM PST by Luircin
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To: irishjuggler
Was he duped into resigning under some sort of belief that a like-minded successor would take his place

He's not that stupid. He was a top Vatican official for over 20 years. He knew his successor would be voted on.

Was he blackmailed or bullied? Will we ever know the truth about what really happened to cause the abdication and the horrific revolution that’s followed?

We know that didn't happen, because he's still alive. Pope is one job you keep, even it costs you your life. The first several pope were all martyrs. That's part of the job description.

4 posted on 01/13/2020 12:00:44 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Luircin

you say the majority of priests aren’t following their vow of celibacy.

Actually, most of them are (including those priests with same sex attraction).

Most of the “data” cited in the news are based on “experts” estimates, often biased by their agenda (e.g. married priests, approve of gay sex, women priests).

But the strict scientific survey by Andrew Greeley showed that there are problems, but not as much as these “experts” claim.

four percent of priests are abusers: Source:

https://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2004_01_06/2004_03_07_Greeley_ForPriests.htm

those statistics are old, but things have improved since then.

and if you look, most of the “abuse” cases cited in the papers are over 20 years old.

the dirty little secret is that Pope Francis doesn’t want to reform the church, but to re-form it in many ways.

First married priests, then push the gay agenda, then women priests to push the feminist agenda. And since this will be ordered by the Pope, he will let the NWO ideas take over the church’s institutions; Not just churches, but hospitals (killing babies and the elderly) and schools (pushing the PC agenda so parents won’t have an alternative school for their kids).


5 posted on 01/13/2020 12:29:50 AM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: LadyDoc
“strict scientific survey”

Not sure what this really means. Unless you are monitoring someone’s behavior day and night, you really don't know whether a survey is accurate or not. It will always depend upon honesty.

I really don't have any idea how many priests actually stay celibate. I know a fair number of married men are, but that's another story.

6 posted on 01/13/2020 1:18:36 AM PST by neverevergiveup
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To: irishjuggler
we won't ever know....but I suspect some deep state influence, threats,and bullying.....

we needed a man to stand up for the Catholic church and instead, we got a weakling, and now look who we have....

7 posted on 01/13/2020 1:32:34 AM PST by cherry
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To: nickcarraway

And yet prepubescent boys are still concerned with with relaxing of Priestly Celibacy Rules.


8 posted on 01/13/2020 2:56:17 AM PST by SERE_DOC ( The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. TJ)
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To: nickcarraway
What actually happened:

"GET THEE GONE..."


9 posted on 01/13/2020 3:39:08 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists...Socialists...Fascists & AntiFa...Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: nickcarraway

He’s been mum since his “retirement” but speaking up now might not be in the best interest of his health.


10 posted on 01/13/2020 4:10:39 AM PST by bgill
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To: nickcarraway

The celibacy is a misstated sham anyway - nothing Biblical requiring it...

First Corinthians 7—Marriage and Celibacy, Part 2
Mar 24, 2017

Paul says in 1 Corinthians 7:8, 9,

8 But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is good for them if they remain even as I. 9 But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

- Here the apostle defends celibacy as an honorable estate, but never does he tell anyone that marriage is less honorable. Paul was not an ascetic, as some were in those days, for he spoke against asceticism or “self-abasement” in Colossians 2:18-23. Some believed that to become spiritual, one had to deny all natural sexual desire, and by this they attempted to subvert human nature itself. This was not Paul’s view.

He made it clear in verse 6 that his preference for celibacy and for remaining single when widowed was a *personal preference*, not a command of God. Celibacy was not even a path toward greater spirituality.


11 posted on 01/13/2020 4:39:00 AM PST by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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“...Pope Francis doesn’t want to reform the church, but to re-form it in many ways.”

Like a “fundamental transformation”?

Wow, the guy thinks he’s Barrack Obama!


12 posted on 01/13/2020 4:39:20 AM PST by polymuser (It's discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and so few by deceit. Noel Coward)
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To: nickcarraway

I am glad that Benedict has finally called him out on something. But frankly this would not make the top 100 of my list.

Celibacy has only been the norm for about half of the Church’s history. We are already allowing clergy from other denominations to convert and come aboard with wife and kids in tow (probably so we can do an end-zone dance about how we looted one from the Lutherans/Episcopalians/Pentecostals).

A married priesthood is inevitable IMHO. The number of priests is plummeting. Soon the Church won’t be able to provide even the basics if something is not done. And frankly it would attract a more sexually well-adjusted candidate into the seminaries.

I would have been much happier if Benedict had called him out over Pachamama, “econlogical sin”, hammer-and-sickle, crucifix, or a whole host of other transgressions.


13 posted on 01/13/2020 8:55:24 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: trebb

I personally know some married Protestant clergy, and the daily conflict between the needs of their flock and their families is quite real. Paul’s advice was based on highly practical observations.


14 posted on 01/13/2020 8:56:24 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: nickcarraway
Interesting sidenote - married Lutheran Priests who join the Catholic church can stay married with families.

The whole prohibition on Priests marrying was to prevent them from accumulating family wealth and power, and possibly pose opposition to the CC hierarchy.

15 posted on 01/13/2020 9:02:23 AM PST by Hacksaw (Support Alt-Tech: Gab.ai, Infogalactic.com, Brave browser, ProtonMail)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

True - it was also made clear that there was nothing divinely inspired about it...yet some seem to think the Bible makes it a requirement. Like some have quipped, folks go to their priests, those who are supposed to eschew marriage and intimacy, for marriage counseling - makes no sense.


16 posted on 01/14/2020 2:42:39 AM PST by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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