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To: Red Badger

The Finger of God .... why don’t negative electrons collapse into positive protons in the nucleus ?


7 posted on 01/06/2020 6:49:20 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true.... I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: knarf

centripetal force?.................


10 posted on 01/06/2020 6:51:26 AM PST by Red Badger (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.......... ..)
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To: knarf
why don’t negative electrons collapse into positive protons in the nucleus ?

The Pauli Exclusion Principle is, I believe, the main reason.

12 posted on 01/06/2020 6:52:37 AM PST by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrats' John Dean])
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To: knarf
why don’t negative electrons collapse into positive protons in the nucleus ?

From the Wikipedia page on the Pauli Exclusion Principle:

"It has been shown that the Pauli exclusion principle is responsible for the fact that ordinary bulk matter is stable and occupies volume. This suggestion was first made in 1931 by Paul Ehrenfest, who pointed out that the electrons of each atom cannot all fall into the lowest-energy orbital and must occupy successively larger shells. Atoms, therefore, occupy a volume and cannot be squeezed too closely together.["

14 posted on 01/06/2020 6:56:10 AM PST by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrats' John Dean])
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To: knarf

Electrons in the atom do enter the nucleus. In fact, electrons in the s states tend to peak at the nucleus. Electrons are not little balls that can fall into the nucleus under electrostatic attraction. Rather, electrons are quantized wavefunctions that spread out in space and can sometimes act like particles in limited ways. An electron in an atom spreads out according to its energy. The states with more energy are more spread out. All electron states overlap with the nucleus, so the concept of an electron “falling into” or “entering” the nucleus does not really make sense. Electrons are always partially in the nucleus.

If the question was supposed to ask, “Why don’t electrons in the atom get localized in the nucleus?” then the answer is still “they do”. Electrons can get localized in the nucleus, but it takes an interaction to make it happen. The process is known as “electron capture” and it is an important mode of radioactive decay. In electron capture, an atomic electron is absorbed by a proton in the nucleus, turning the proton into a neutron. The electron starts as a regular atomic electron, with its wavefunction spreading through the atom and overlapping with the nucleus. In time, the electron reacts with the proton via its overlapping portion, collapses to a point in the nucleus, and disappears as it becomes part of the new neutron. Because the atom now has one less proton, electron capture is a type of radioactive decay that turns one element into another element.

If the question was supposed to ask, “Why is it rare for electrons to get localized in the nucleus?” then the answer is: it takes an interaction in the nucleus to completely localize an electron there, and there is often nothing for the electron to interact with. An electron will only react with a proton in the nucleus via electron capture if there are too many protons in the nucleus. When there are too many protons, some of the outer protons are loosely bound and more free to react with the electron. But most atoms do not have too many protons, so there is nothing for the electron to interact with. As a result, each electron in a stable atom remains in its spread-out wavefunction shape. Each electron continues to flow in, out, and around the nucleus without finding anything in the nucleus to interact with that would collapse it down inside the nucleus. It’s a good thing too, because if electron capture was more common, matter would not be stable but would collapse down to a handful of nuclei.

https://wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/2013/08/08/why-dont-electrons-in-the-atom-enter-the-nucleus/


17 posted on 01/06/2020 6:58:56 AM PST by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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To: knarf

“The Finger of God .... why don’t negative electrons collapse into positive protons in the nucleus ?”

That was one of the main questions that led to the concept of quantum mechanics. Classical physics failed to explain exactly that problem...


19 posted on 01/06/2020 7:00:13 AM PST by PreciousLiberty (Make America Greater Than Ever!)
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To: knarf

https://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae688.cfm


49 posted on 01/06/2020 9:30:00 AM PST by samtheman (I hope someone close to Trump is reading FR every day.)
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To: knarf

First ask why bound point particle electrons do not radiate energy, as they are under a central acceleration which binds them to follow a mostly circular path.

Herman Haus and Goedecke proposed a framework for the non-radiation condition of the electron. The point particle view of electrons faces waning support.


63 posted on 01/06/2020 3:40:11 PM PST by Ozark Tom
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