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A friend of my career Navy father, a former Japanese POW taught me the knot that was used on him.

I have had much fun with it over the years and NEVER had any escape.

Once as a student, I used the pull cord from a window shade. The subject panicked and pulled the shade down!

Starting with palms and elbows together, they can only chew through the rope.

Wrists crossed behind the back; there is NO ESCAPE!

1 posted on 01/03/2020 8:07:28 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT
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Just use Alexander the Great’s method for solving Gordian knots!


2 posted on 01/03/2020 8:09:16 AM PST by glorgau
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Very cool science! Thanks for posting.

What was the knot?


3 posted on 01/03/2020 8:25:59 AM PST by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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Are you referring to the bowline? Any Boatswain’s Mate knows how good a knot it is.


5 posted on 01/03/2020 8:29:41 AM PST by sasportas
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You can’t come out of a good square knot. That is all you need to know.


7 posted on 01/03/2020 8:34:30 AM PST by cornfedcowboy
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MIT mathematicians and engineers have developed a mathematical model that predicts how stable a knot is, based on several key properties, including the number of crossings involved and the direction in which the rope segments twist as the knot is pulled tight.


Sailors and farmers have known this stuff for centuries.


8 posted on 01/03/2020 8:35:34 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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Sailors and boy scouts didn’t need equations to tell them what they knew.


9 posted on 01/03/2020 8:37:20 AM PST by I want the USA back (If free speech is taken away, dumb and silent we are led, like sheep to the slaughter: G Washington)
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Beat me to it. Patel should have been tied up and tossed in a trunk. That’s the best way to do his testing.


12 posted on 01/03/2020 8:50:07 AM PST by bgill
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Ahh..."...In mathematical knot theory, you throw everything out that's related to mechanics," Dunkel says. "You don't care about whether you have a stiff versus soft fiber—it's the same knot from a mathematician's point of view...."

All well and good in the ivory tower kingdom...except that everyone who's handle ropes, cords or lines knows that material type and mechanics play very important roles in practical usage. As an example, a simple slip knot tied with a hemp rope will retain it's shape and function whereas a polypropylene, stiff and slick, will not, due to difference in amount of friction. Soak the hemp rope, tighten the slip knot and it becomes more difficult to move, plus or minus depending on need.

14 posted on 01/03/2020 9:01:11 AM PST by Covenantor (https://www. are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. " Chesterton)
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MIT held off on publishing this discovery until after Odumbo was out of orifice.


15 posted on 01/03/2020 9:05:57 AM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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Here’s the gCaptain link to his writeup of the article:

https://gcaptain.com/mit-knot-study-science/


19 posted on 01/03/2020 9:25:26 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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The Pioneering merit badge in Boy Scouts teaches a lot or rope work, including a number of very effective knots. There usefulness remains throughout life.

It is interesting that someone figured out how to apply mathematics to knots. That is spectacular.

22 posted on 01/03/2020 9:52:41 AM PST by GingisK
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Tying a small knot on this thread so I can find my way back to it...


29 posted on 01/04/2020 9:47:45 AM PST by Hegemony Cricket (< < Wandering aimfully > >)
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Wrists crossed behind the back; there is NO ESCAPE!

Japanese knots flummox me and I don't know how to tie a single one of them. They do look like a form of torture to me and I'll bet they have been used just for that purpose countless times.

One of the best knot references I own is The Encyclopedia of Knots and Fancy Rope Work by Hensel and Graumont. It predates Ashley by 10 years, but has become very scarce. You can buy it now, but when I bought mine I was on a waiting list for two or three years before it became available. It probably isn't as popular as Ashley because it's not a friendly howto book and there aren't always tying instructions accompanying the knots they cover, just pictures that are detailed enough you can figure out how to tie something yourself, without much handholding.

It has THE BEST handcuff knot I've ever seen. Once I figured out a way to tie it, I couldn't believe how secure it was, due perhaps in part to its many crossings, at least a dozen or so of them, yet is relatively quick and easy to tie. It's not covered by Ashley, or any other book I've ever seen. The authors point out that it was used on old time ships to bind prisoners. You can bet your boots that many a man went to the gallows bound by it.

I've given up trying to find it in other books, or even a mention, picture or drawing of it online. If ever the SHTF, we're going to need it! I've been thinking of taking a pic and posting it here myself. It'll put the "handcuff" crap you see in most books, including Ashley, to shame. Not counting your Japanese knot, of course. I would HATE to be tied up with THAT thing!

33 posted on 01/04/2020 2:23:51 PM PST by LibWhacker
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