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No, the didn’t introduce one because it would be blocked by the southern congressman. In fact those congress men, with the help of doughface northerners actually passed a gag rule that stopped Americans from their constitutional right to petition the government for the referees of their grievances. .But you know this.

As far as Eisenhower goes, its one mans opinion. I would also guess he never read Lee’s letter to his son during the secession crisis.

Secession is nothing but revolution. The framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom, and forbearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it was intended to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will. It was intended for “perpetual union,” so expressed in the preamble, and for the establishment of a government, not a compact, which can only be dissolved by revolution or the consent of all the people in convention assembled. It is idle to talk of secession.
Robert E. Lee January 23 1861

So even Les acknowledged that secession was nothing but revolution. Which means he was a traitor.


682 posted on 01/14/2020 11:30:25 AM PST by OIFVeteran
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“No, the didn’t introduce one because it would be blocked by the southern congressman.”

I leap to the conclusion Lincoln and his auxiliaries did not have the votes to peacefully pass the amendment it is sometimes claimed he wanted.

What Lincoln needed to “free the slaves” was war.

But first he would need a pretext for war. Which his navy found in the Gulf of Tonkin Incident. I meant to say, the Fort Sumter Incident.

685 posted on 01/14/2020 11:56:48 AM PST by jeffersondem
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“As far as Eisenhower goes, its one mans opinion. I would also guess he never read Lee’s letter to his son during the secession crisis.”

Your dismissive and disrespectful attitude toward General Eisenhower is a little surprising based on previous claims you have made.

Conceit shows on some people; it doesn’t look good on you.


686 posted on 01/14/2020 12:10:32 PM PST by jeffersondem
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OIFVeteran quoting RE Lee: "Secession is nothing but revolution.
The framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom, and forbearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it was intended to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will.
It was intended for “perpetual union,” so expressed in the preamble, and for the establishment of a government, not a compact, which can only be dissolved by revolution or the consent of all the people in convention assembled.
It is idle to talk of secession."

-- Robert E. Lee to his son, January 23 1861"

Sorry, but I'm almost certain this quote is misattributed -- it sounds much more like that Devil Lincoln, not the blessed St. Robert.

I mean, think of it -- if Devil Lincoln had said such a thing, wouldn't it be proof-positive of his Hitlerian, Nazi, Marxist, Communist, central planning tyranny?
And wasn't blessed St. Robert a firm believer in the sovereign right of states to be free of such tyranny?

So obviously the quote must be fake -- maybe, yes maybe, Lincoln did actually write it, but put it in a letter with blessed St. Robert's return address, just to fool young Lee into thinking his dad had gone insane... yeh, that's the ticket.

;-)

1,527 posted on 02/07/2020 12:18:53 PM PST by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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