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To: TheNext; rockrr; BroJoeK
The Civil War was caused by Northern slavery against the South. The South was paying 75% of the nation’s taxes which was a holdover from the War of 1812.

Fake history. Imports were taxed. Wealthy Southern slaveowners thought that because their plantations produced a large share of the country's exports that they were paying all those taxes, but it doesn't work that way. Apple, Microsoft and Disney are responsible for a lot of our exports, but when you buy a product from overseas, you pay the tax, not them.

The tax was never repealed.

Taxes get repealed by blood or poverty.

Tariffs in the 19th century went up and down, depending on which party was in power. Taxes on imports changed over time but weren't completely abolished because they were one of the main ways government paid for itself.

23 posted on 12/22/2019 6:54:15 AM PST by x
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To: x
Fake post X.

Tariff costs were added to the sales price of imports. Therefore, import buying consumers paid the tariffs. Most imports ended up being sold in the South. They were, in fact, ultimately paying the tariff taxes by buying imports.

Morrill tariff was about to double the tariffs.....big inflation for Southern yeoman farmers, and a primary reason for secession.

More importantly, who had the power to initiate war in April of 1861?

Lincoln was informed that since secession, tariff revenue had dropped substantially.

He then sent the Navy to Charleston and Pensacola to force compliance.

35 posted on 12/22/2019 9:09:45 AM PST by PeaRidge
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To: TheNext; x; rockrr; BroJoeK
>>TheNext wrote: "The Civil War was caused by Northern slavery against the South. The South was paying 75% of the nation’s taxes which was a holdover from the War of 1812."
>>x wrote: "Fake history. Imports were taxed. Wealthy Southern slaveowners thought that because their plantations produced a large share of the country's exports that they were paying all those taxes, but it doesn't work that way. Apple, Microsoft and Disney are responsible for a lot of our exports, but when you buy a product from overseas, you pay the tax, not them."

Anyone who has studied the history of that day understands the South bore the brunt of the burden of the protective tariff.

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>>TheNext wrote: "The tax was never repealed. Taxes get repealed by blood or poverty."
>>x wrote: "Tariffs in the 19th century went up and down, depending on which party was in power. Taxes on imports changed over time but weren't completely abolished because they were one of the main ways government paid for itself."

The Constitution gave the congress the power to lay uniform duties:

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States." [Law, "Constitution of the United States and Amendments." 1787, Article I.8]

The Congress was prohibited from laying duties on exports:

"No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State." [Ibid. Article I.9]

The South overwhelmingly relied on exports, which were protected by the Constitution from export duties; but the South also received little direct benefit from import duties. The result was, the South paid higher prices on Northern goods and imports. Something that is often overlooked is the tariff resulted in a decrease in cash flow among foreign nations, which led to less demand for Southern exports.

The South wasn't against a protective tariff, only the unfair ones:

"These [duties] and some other distinctly protective provisions were defended by Calhoun, mainly on the ground of the need of making provision for the exigencies of another war; and on that ground they were adopted, and at the same time limited. The general increase of duties under the act of 1816, to an average of about twenty per cent., was due to the necessity of providing for the payment of the interest on the heavy debt contracted during the war." [Reasons for Tariff of 1816, in Frank W. Taussig, "The Tariff History of the United States." G. P. Putnam's Sons, 1892, pp.18-19]

"The act of 1846 remained in force till 1857, when a still further reduction of duties was made. The revenue was redundant in 1857, and this was the chief cause of the reduction of duties. The measure of that year was passed with little opposition, and was the first tariff act since 1816 that was not affected by politics.' It was agreed on all hands that a reduction of the revenue was imperatively called for, and, except from Pennsylvania, there was no opposition to the reduction of duties made in it." [Ibid. The Tariff, 1830-1860, p.115]

Mr. Kalamata

93 posted on 12/25/2019 9:04:56 AM PST by Kalamata (BIBLE RESEARCH TOOLS: http://bibleresearchtools.com/)
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To: x; TheNext; PeaRidge; rockrr; Kalamata
TheNext: "The Civil War was caused by Northern slavery against the South.
The South was paying 75% of the nation’s taxes which was a holdover from the War of 1812."

Despite constant repetition on these threads, your number "75% of the nation's taxes" paid by "the South" is fiction.
The original Confederate South had only one major export, and it was a big one -- cotton represented roughly 50% of total US exports in 1860.
Nothing else Southern came even close and all others together added only a few more percent.

Of course 50% is nothing to sneeze at, so cotton planters could rightly claim to be a major factor in the nation's prosperity.
Further, for every dollar Southerners exported they also "imported" a dollar's worth of goods from the North, the major items being woolen goods, shoes, woven cotton goods, silk and iron related products.

All these products were protected by tariffs, but so were all Southern exports, from cotton to sugar.

And contrary to the impression often left on these threads, tariffs before 1861 were never set just by Northerners for Northerners.
Indeed, when the 1828 "Tariff of Abominations" passed, Congress was ruled by Jacksonian Democrats, who supported it, with New Englanders and Deep South members in opposition.
Point is: that tariff was not a North vs. South thing.

In 1846 tariffs were substantially reduced by Democrats (President Polk from Tennessee) and again in 1857, again by Democrats (Doughfaced Northern President Buchanan).
So the original Morrill tariff proposed to raise the 1857 tariffs back to roughly their 1846 rates -- for one example, Iron products' tariffs were 30% in 1846, 24% in 1857 and back to 29% under Morrill.
Cotton tariffs were 25% in 1846, 19% in 1857 and back to 25% under Morrill.

The original Morrill tariff did not "double" any rates.
It was simply "politics as usual" and not considered by anybody at the time as justifying secession.

236 posted on 12/29/2019 1:41:41 PM PST by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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