>>BroJoeK wrote: "And here it is yet again, the true Dan-child, abused by Democrats as a boy, politically, now becomes the abusive adult, hoping to convince Republicans that old Democrat lies are the real truth of history."
Joey's posts are always deceptive. I have exposed his progressive, central-planning, big-government ideology over and over again. Joey has even praised the ACLU and a rogue federal judge for meddling in a local school board ruling, which was none of their stinking business! The bottom line is, Joey is a bully and a control freak, and, accordingly, he admires other bullies and control freaks.
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>>Kalamata wrote: "I am the only conservative in this conversation. You don’t even know the meaning of the word. You really should study how to interpret history, rather than cherry-pick it."
>>BroJoeK wrote: "Our Dan-child is "conservative" only as defined by lunatic Democrats, meaning: anti-federalist, anti-Founders, anti-Constitution, anti-Republican, anti-American. What he wishes to "conserve" is the Old Confederacy -- not of course as it actually was, but rather as our Lost Causers fantasize it to have been."
Again, Joey's posts are always deceptive. He and all other modern Democrats despise the chains of the Constitution, exactly like Lincoln despised them. Rather they seek the praise of mere men above civic duty. Jefferson warned us to do the opposite:
"In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution."
[Resolutions Relative to the Alien and Sedition laws, 1789, in Thomas Jefferson, "The Writings of Thomas Jefferson Vol 17." Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association, 1903, pp. 385-390]
Lincoln was always trying to break those chains. He, like all modern Democrats, reinterpreted the Commerce Clause to mean anything and everything, in order to (one day) make way for his so-called "American System" (which was actually, the corrupt, crony British Mercantilist system.) James Randall, who was a devout Lincolnite, explained how it works:
"What Hamilton said about implied powers should always be read in the light of the fact that Hamilton wanted a national bank, and that, in general, he wanted a strong government for the stabilization of the particular economic system to which he was devoted. Not always do the words of a speech reveal the speaker's motive. True historical insight must penetrate through the statements, writings, and arguments of political leaders to the broad human purposes which they were seeking to accomplish. Viewed in this light, constitutional history becomes a part, and an important part, of social history."
"A familiar example showing how social motives control constitutional interpretation appears in connection with the tendency toward "rebuilding the nation on interstate commerce." As a social observer has written with some exaggeration, "Once... we had need of a Constitution with many sections... and clauses:... now one is sufficient... the power to regulate interstate commerce." The suppression of rebates and discriminating charges by railroads, the inspection of foodstuffs, the restriction of vice, the prevention of accidents—all these great social purposes have, so to speak, surged against the constitutional barriers until they have broken through; and the interstate commerce clause is the breach through which they have passed."
[James G. Randall, "Constitutional Problems Under Lincoln." University of Illinois Press, Rev Ed, 1961, p.4]
If a politician or judge has a complete and total lack of integrity, they can easily turn any unconstitutional activity into "interstate commerce," and, Presto – Instant Constitutionality!
Mr. Kalamata
Kalamata:
"Joey's posts are always deceptive.
I have exposed his progressive, central-planning, big-government ideology over and over again. Joey has even praised the ACLU and a rogue federal judge for meddling in a local school board ruling, which was none of their stinking business!
The bottom line is, Joey is a bully and a control freak, and, accordingly, he admires other bullies and control freaks." It appears Kalamata is off his meds and out of control.
Sure, his posted quotes are always accurate (so far as I can tell), but otherwise his words are almost entirely lies.
None of his diatribe above is true.
Kalamata: "Again, Joey's posts are always deceptive.
He and all other modern Democrats despise the chains of the Constitution, exactly like Lincoln despised them.
Rather they seek the praise of mere men above civic duty. "
And yet more lies.
Here's the truth: Kalamata doesn't deny being anti-federalist, anti-Founders, anti-Constitution, anti-Republican, anti-American.
What he wishes to "conserve" is the Old Confederacy -- not of course as it actually was, but rather as our Lost Causers fantasize it to have been.
Kalamata: "Lincoln was always trying to break those chains.
He, like all modern Democrats, reinterpreted the Commerce Clause to mean anything and everything, in order to (one day) make way for his so-called "American System" (which was actually, the corrupt, crony British Mercantilist system.)"
That's complete nonsense.
Here's the truth: every Founding President supported protective tariffs, "internal improvements" and even a national bank, as did Lincoln.
Yes, Jefferson opposed the bank, but accepted it in exchange for moving the capital city to Washington, DC.
Yes out of power, VP Jefferson also opposed Federalist internal improvements on "strict construction" grounds, but President Jefferson was happy to sign such internal improvements as the Cumberland Road, and proposed many, many more.
Madison approved tariffs and the bank, while Monroe also approved internal improvements.
That is the history of Federalists, Whigs & Republicans, including Lincoln. ![]()