[BroJoeK]

Ohioan: "Brexit is, of course, a validation of the right to secede from a compact between sovereigns. Jefferson clearly understood the issues involved in his position as our Secretary of State."

There are serious differences between Brexit and 1860, including:

1. Unlike the US Constitution,
   "Withdrawal from the European Union is governed by Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union.
   It was originally drafted by Lord Kerr of Kinlochard,[81] and introduced by the Treaty of Lisbon at the insistence of the United Kingdom.[citation needed]
   The article states that any member state can withdraw "in accordance with its own constitutional requirements" by notifying the European Council of its intention to do so.[82]"

2. Unlike 1861 Confederates, the Brits have seized no property belonging to the European Union.

3. Unlike 1861 Confederates, the Brits have threatened no EU officials, or demanded their surrender.

4. Unlike 1861 Confederates, the Brits have fired on no EU ships.

5. Unlike 1861 Confederates, the Brits have "reduced" no EU forts.

6. Unlike 1861 Confederates, the Brits have sent no military units to seize properties in other EU countries.

7. Unlike 1861 Confederates, the Brits have not formally declared war on the European Union.

In short, so far it seems the Brits are setting a pretty good example of how such things should be done, unlike 1860 Confederates.

[Kalamata]

>>Ohioan wrote: "Brexit is, of course, a validation of the right to secede from a compact between sovereigns. Jefferson clearly understood the issues involved in his position as our Secretary of State."
>>BroJoeK wrote: "There are serious differences between Brexit and 1860, including: Unlike the US Constitution, Withdrawal from the European Union is governed by Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union."

Joey's posts are always deceptive. The right to withdraw from the Union is found in Amendments 9 and 10 of the Constitution:

"Amendment 9 - Construction of Constitution: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

"Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The construction of the Constitution, as determined in Convention, declares that powers not specifically delegated, or forbidden, DO NOT belong to the federal government. They belong to the states and the people.

Those two Amendments turn the progressive Living-Constitutionalists, such as Joey, into whiny, drooling zombies.

Mr. Kalamata

[DiogenesLamp]

"Withdrawal from the European Union is governed by Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union.

Withdrawal from the American Union is governed by the Founding Charter of the United States which is also known as "The Declaration of Independence."

Also, the Brits are a nuclear power, and they can literally F*** up the European Union if the Union gets uppity about it.

Just goes to show, "speak softly and carry a big stick" is a pretty good rule for getting what you want.

For some reason people are perfectly willing to recognize your rights if you have the muscle to force them to do it if they become obstinate.