[Kalamata]

>>Kalamata wrote: “Lincoln knew exactly what he was doing. He was a greedy, power-hungry crony capitalist for his entire professional and political life.”
>>BroJoeK wrote: “Only according to the same insane Democrats who tell us the same sort of things about every real Republican president, including our current one!”

You are stuck on stupid, Joey. Let me help you out:

1. The Democrats of the pre-Civil War era were limited-government Jeffersonians who promoted a republican form of government. The name “democrat” was just a meaningless name. Modern-day conservative republicans are the same as Jeffersonian Democrats.

2. The Republicans of the pre-Civil War era were the big-government, crony-capitalist Whigs (Hamiltonians.) The name “republican” was just a meaningless name. Modern-day crony-capitalist RINO’s and Democrats are the same as 19th-century Republicans.

Along the way the names got switched, most likely because of Jesse Helms, who supposedly recommended conservatives abandon the Democrat Party because it had become too left-wing.

Mr. Kalamata

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Along the way the names got switched, most likely because of Jesse Helms, who supposedly recommended conservatives abandon the Democrat Party because it had become too left-wing.

And with that little gem the crazy-stupid circle is complete...

[BroJoeK]

Kalamata: "You are stuck on stupid, Joey."

Says our own "stuck on stupid" Danny-child.

Kalamata: "Let me help you out:"

By that you mean, "let me throw sand in your eyes, to make you as blind as I am".

Kalamata: "1. The Democrats of the pre-Civil War era were limited-government Jeffersonians who promoted a republican form of government.
The name “democrat” was just a meaningless name.
Modern-day conservative republicans are the same as Jeffersonian Democrats."

Every word of that is a lie, as usual.
In fact:

1. Jeffersonian Democrats began in 1788 as the anti-Constitution, anti-Federalists, opposed to ratification of our new Constitution.

2. After ratification, anti-Federalists became the anti-Administration faction, lead by Jefferson & opposed to President Washington's Federalist policies, specifically, Hamilton's proposals for paying off the US war debts, a national bank, and friendliness with Britain as opposed to now revolutionary France.

3. By 1794 Jefferson's anti-Administration faction became what we call the Jeffersonian Democrat party.
   Jeffersonian Democrats are recognizable by their behavior as modern Democrats, including:
   • Out of power they opposed the 1791 First Bank of the United States.
     In power they authorized the 1816 Second Bank of the United States.

   • Out of power they opposed the 1796 Alien & Sedition Acts.
     In power Jefferson used them to lock up his own political opponents.

   • Out of power they opposed Federal spending on "infrastructure" projects.
     In power Jefferson authorized the first National Road in western Maryland & Pennsylvania -- today's US-40.

   • Out of power they called for "strict construction" of the Constitution.
     In power Jefferson ignored "strict construction" in making the Louisiana Purchase for an amount ($15 million) that was triple Federal annual non-debt spending at the time.

   • Out of power Jefferson concocted his "nullification" theory, and even seemingly suggested it might be OK for New England to secede.
     In power Jefferson arrested secessionist Aaron Burr and tried him for treason.
     In power Jefferson strictly enforced his Embargo Act against objecting New Englanders, no talk of "nullification" then!

   • Out of power Jefferson criticized President Adams' Quazi-War against France, which was authorized by Congress.
     In power Jefferson sent the US fleet to attack Barbary Pirates without Congressional authorization.

4. In short, then as now, Democrats were rebellious and "strict construction" only when out-of-power, but authoritarian and expansive construction while in-power.

5. Skipping forward to the 1850s we find Democrats like Secretary of War Jefferson Davis in full support of Federal spending for a transcontinental railroad, himself expecting to profit hugely from it, but only if it took a Southern route to California.
   Davis' Gadsden Purchase for $10 million (only $5 million less than Jefferson's Louisiana Purchase) was then ~20% of total annual Federal spending.

6. By 1860 Democrats were so commonly recognized as corrupt "crony capitalists" that one Republican Party platform plank referred to it directly:
   "6.That the people justly view with alarm the reckless extravagance which pervades every department of the Federal Government; that a return to rigid economy and accountability is indispensable to arrest the systematic plunder of the public treasury by favored partisans; while the recent startling developments of frauds and corruptions at the Federal metropolis, show that an entire change of administration is imperatively demanded."

By 1860 Democrats had for decades systematically plundered the Federal treasury for the benefit of favored partisans.
So, the Leopard doesn't change his spots, there is nothing new under the sun and Democrats have always been Democrats.

Kalamata: "2. The Republicans of the pre-Civil War era were the big-government, crony-capitalist Whigs (Hamiltonians.)
The name “republican” was just a meaningless name.
Modern-day crony-capitalist RINO’s and Democrats are the same as 19th-century Republicans."

Total lies.
Republicans began as the pro-Constitution Federalists, became the anti-corruption Whigs and then anti-slavery Republicans.
Republicans have always favored Founders' original intent as opposed to numerous Democrat efforts to corrupt & debauch it.