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To: Hostage
>> Disagree. A vote for impeachment is not impeachment <<

You can disagree all you want. The constitution says otherwise. It clearly states the House of Representatives has the SOLE power of impeachment, not "The President isn't impeached unless the Senate also agrees with it"

99 posted on 12/19/2019 12:45:19 AM PST by BillyBoy (States rights is NOT a suicide pact)
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Successful Impeachment of officials involves removal of such officials charged. The Constitution was written in this context. It was written with the understanding that only the HOUSE could bring impeachable charges and only the SENATE could take up the charges brought. The Constitution does NOT say only the Democrats can impeach full stop, it uses the phrase ‘power of impeachment’ meaning power to start the first phase of the two-part process.

The above is but one example of how it will very likely be played out.

If at the time of crafting the Constitution it was written that only the HOUSE could impeach rather than have “sole power of impeachment”, that would be inane, ridiculous as people naturally ask “they impeached, what then?” If there is no “what then”, then the verb ‘impeach’ has no consequence, no meaning. It’s a waste of time.

To say the House has sole power of impeachment means only they can make impeachable charges. It doesn’t mean they have sole power over the second part of the impeachment process. Without the second part, the verb ‘impeach’ and the noun ‘impeachment’ are meaningless. Any person using it, any historian writing it without the context of the second part of the process would be wasting time.

The HOUSE could impeach Maxine Walter’s ugly mug after she hung a portrait of her ugly mug in the House chamber. Members could say “Her mug was impeached!” and viewers at the chamber could mutter “What? Her mug is still there”. Then ridiculously historians could write that Maxine’s Mug is but one of only three mugs in Congress to be impeached.

In such cases as Maxine’s Mug, the word IMPEACH becomes laughable and has no meaning.

An impeached official involves both CHARGES and REMOVAL. It’s a two-part PROCESS. Key is it’s not acted upon as a noun, it is experienced as a PROCESS.

Yes, the Constitution says the House has sole power of impeachment and the Senate has sole power for removal. The Constitution includes both parts of the process. But if there is only one part of the process, then the impeachment process failed and there is no successful impeachment.

If the Democrats screech “We impeached him!!”, the American people can respond, “No, you tried to impeach him but you failed.”

If the Democrats reply “But we successfully VOTED to impeach him!”, the People can add, “Correct, your partisan vote was passed, but the impeachment process failed so your impeachment is nothing.”

History may record Trump survived a failed attempt to impeach him. His enemies will try to write he was impeached to which the People can ignore them and tell them to get lost.

Here is an example of how history may be written:

“On December 18, 2019, the Democrat Party holding the majority in the House of Representatives voted along partisan lines to start impeachment proceedings of President Donald Trump based on what were considered obscure, ill-defined articles of impeachment that were eventually decided by the United States Supreme Court as an unconstitutional Bill of Attainder.”

“The articles of impeachment were withheld from the United States Senate who responded by voting a deadline for the articles to be sent by the House to the Senate establishing that such articles failing to meet the deadline would be considered of no merit and dismissed unless a majority of the Senate voted to override the deadline.”

“The House majority continued to withhold their articles of impeachment citing the Republican controlled Senate’s refusal to handle the articles in a fair manner. The Senate deadline for the articles of impeachment was not met causing the House’s articles of impeachment to become ineligible for hearing in the Senate. The Senate voted to pass a resolution that the House’s articles of impeachment missing the deadline were to be considered ‘aduentum mortuis’.”

“In the elections following the Democrat majority’s vote in the House of Representatives to impeach President Donald Trump, the American electorate voted overwhelmingly to replace the Democrat’s House majority with a Republican majority and voted in an historic landslide second term for President Donald Trump.”

“After the historic election of 2020, President Trump voiced a suggestion that Congress strike the previous session’s articles of impeachment against him from the record. As the Republican held House of Representatives deliberated over striking the articles for impeaching Donald Trump from the Congressional record, a groundswell of public support arose for the articles of impeachment to be so stricken causing House Republicans to pass a resolution nullifying the previous Congress’s articles of impeachment and causing them to be stricken from the record.”

“Protestors acting under cover of news reporting confronted President Trump on the White House lawn as he was departing to attend a historic reunification pact between North and South Korea. Protesting reporters screamed that the President could not change the history that he was an impeached President to which the President delivered his now famous response “Piss Off!”.”


112 posted on 12/19/2019 6:59:49 AM PST by Hostage (Article V)
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