Posted on 12/07/2019 9:13:07 AM PST by Envisioning
A documentary on Pearl Harbor with excellent visual aids as the the series of events. Really well done.
Somebody else posted this a while back but I forget. Thought it might be fitting for today.
Seen this? (((Ping)))
Almost HALF their bombs and torpedoes were duds, most dont realize it could have been TWICE as bad.
The Japs wanted to run a pre-attack seaplane on Pearl to confirm carriers or no.
But we put a cruiser at their planned refuel location for that plane (intercepted chatter)
The Japs had to cancel that.
It was the one lucky thing we did right.
In a way, I agree. We struck back and put Japan on the defensive almost precisely six months after the attack. However, even if Japan had won at Midway, they would've eventually been overextended, and maybe would've been stopped at Hawaii. By then, Americans would've been so pissed at Japan that the only Japanese left in the world would've been the Japanese who emigrated to America before the war.
Bump!
This YouTube maker is a genius, makes the key points so simply and concisely.
Yep,, planned to be so much worse. Prayers to all of the heroes lost, injured or otherwise effected that day and all of their families. It was horrible enough as it was.
Ping
I know it by heart, but downloaded for later viewing. Thanks for posting it.
Back in the ‘80s, I was sent to Hawaii to install some software at the Marine PX in Kaneohe Air Station. In my spare time I cruised around the island. On the way to Pearl Harbor to pay my respects to the Arizona memorial, I looked up at the mountains and had that creepy deja vu thingy - REALLY uncomfortable.
It wasn’t until I got back to the States that I realized that I had seen countless videos of the Japs coming in over those mountains, which was why they looked so familiar to me.
A very sobering experience.
“We have awakened a sleeping giant, filling him with an u quenchable wrath...”
That was indeed Yamamoto’s thinking.
Did he SAY it..?
No. Too bad cuz both sides loooooove that quote, including me especially.
Another he didnt say:
“Were we to invade America proper, we would find a rifle behind every blade of grass.”
I love it.
It is his thinking.
It is made-up.
I have researched this stuff a lot, and I am convinced that both we and the Japanese were “played” by Winston Churchill.
The British had totally broken the Japanese naval codes.
We had only fully broken the Japanese diplomatic codes.
All evidence suggest the British kept their detailed actionable foreknowledge from the US.
Churchill needed the US in the war to save his country.
He was playing chess.
The Japanese and Americans were playing checkers.
Hill cross appearing in Tora Tora Tora as Jap squadrons sweep in for attack:
How could they commerorate attack deaths which THEN had not yet occured...? Cuz THAT is why the cross is there.
Impossible.
But CGI did not yet exist (thankfully? I sometimes find myself wondering).
In fact 5 years ago the secular fundamentalists did suceed in taking that cross down.
We had partially cracked JN-25 but our understanding was still verrrry incomplete.
I share your beliefs regarding likely Brit action/non-action re: US/Pac.
The Brits were absolutely desperate and came within just maybe HOURS of losing the Battle of Britain.
If they hadnt enraged Hitler away from destoying the RAF via tempting him into The Blitz, well, today we might not much later have ended up seeing the UK and all of Europe taken over by fatalistic modernity-haters.
By winning, The West lost.
Had Winnie known ahead of time, well, he probably didn’t let on to us, I think.
Churchill was a player, he was totally focused on British interests, used every tool at his disposal to try to manipulate the US. He was bitterly frustrated by the loss of British influence after the war.
“The Japs wanted to run a pre-attack seaplane on Pearl to confirm carriers or no.”
Actually, we sunk a Japanese mini-submarine just south of the harbor about an hour before the attack hit.
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/30/us/japanese-submarine-sunk-at-pearl-harbor-is-found.html
rwood
Yup!
Full-on COMBAT yet as if by some supernatural somulence the USN just would NOT wake-up.
My DIL’s mother was at Mass in Kaneohe when the first bombs were dropped.She remembers it to this day.
The USN didn’t come awake until the bureaucrat admirals were replace by wartime ones. Cost a lot of US young men.
Was at Pearl yesterday (no way I’m going on the 7th) — that, plus the Marathon being run on the island). I’m so struck by the juxtaposition of the USS Missouri (where it all ended) alongside the Arizona Memorial (where it all started). They started it; we finished it; millions died; millions more were saved. It made me feel almost happy that we nuked their asses.
Of all things, Yamomoto had said “The ships at Pearl are like a dagger pointed directly at our throats.” Huh???What??? That’s like saying that laws against rape are like a gun pointed at the head of a rapist. Good grief! What a stark illustration of contrasting worldviews.
“What if” is always difficult, but if the Japanese had not attacked Pearl Harbor there could have been nothing but minor skirmishes in the Pacific between the US and Japan for months if not years—the US would have stayed out of the war during that period (due to popular opinion against the “foreign war”) and the British would have been doomed.
“Who benefits” is always a good starting point for unraveling mysteries.
We probably would have been dragged into the war eventually—but we did not get to choose the time and place.
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