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With the Trump impeachment drama in full swing, it is useful to look back into history to see how past impeachment activity can impact the future.

"We all know that the Republicans acted against their own interests when they impeached President Clinton in 1998, because this caused an electoral backlash against them in 1998. But what few realize is that the Democrats, too, at this time, acted against their own self-interests by their refusal to convict Clinton in the Senate, thereby preventing the accession of V.P. Al Gore and causing the election of the second President Bush in 2000."

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1 posted on 11/17/2019 7:00:31 AM PST by ShackledNoMore
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To: ShackledNoMore

It was a backlash because they pursued small stuff in lieu of the actual major crimes they all knew about but would not speak of publicly. Probably because some high-level Repubs might have gone down too.


2 posted on 11/17/2019 7:05:48 AM PST by marron
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There's really only one reason the Delusional Lying Left and their Jihadist buddies haven't yet taken over America and the world:

DIVINE PROVIDENCE - the Hand of God Almighty.

It simply is not Satin's time yet.

Soon, but not yet.

3 posted on 11/17/2019 7:06:09 AM PST by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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First let’s be honest here and admit that President Clinton lied under oath.
He should have been removed from office.
So the Dems were too stupid to see which side of the bread had butter on it.
Next - Al Gore missed it by a whisker in 2000. If he had won Tennessee- his sort of home state- he would have won the election.
Finally, the Hand of God is in all of this (and everything that happens).


5 posted on 11/17/2019 7:13:56 AM PST by Honest Nigerian
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“We all know that the Republicans acted against their own interests when they impeached President Clinton in 1998, because this caused an electoral backlash against them in 1998. But what few realize is that the Democrats, too, at this time, acted against their own self-interests by their refusal to convict Clinton in the Senate, thereby preventing the accession of V.P. Al Gore and causing the election of the second President Bush in 2000.”

That is an assumption - that Gore ascending to the presidency of half of Clinton’s term, would have been followed by two elected terms for Gore - that (1) cannot be proven as inevitable and (2) cannot be proven as a even likely relsult.


6 posted on 11/17/2019 7:23:27 AM PST by Wuli
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Hind sight being 20 20, history shows us it made no difference if Clinton remained in office or was removed and replaced with Gore.

Here’s what happened: Clinton 8 yrs, Bush 8 yrs, obama 8 yrs (all leftist swamptsers)

If Clinton were removed, here’s what could have happened: Clinton removed early, Gore 12 years, McCain or Romney or obama 8 years. (all leftist swamptsers)

What’s in place now, Trump, is the exact opposite of anything we’ve had or been offered. It’s why the rats are in such a frenzy, he’s a real American and the country is prospering, getting respect again, and everything else good America stands for.

We actually needed all those swamptsters for America to realize we need a change.


10 posted on 11/17/2019 7:58:51 AM PST by redfreedom
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It’s true. The defense of Clinton hurt them in the long run. Although W Bush was lousy, he was better than Gore or Kerry.


15 posted on 11/17/2019 8:35:30 AM PST by Luke21
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...what few realize is that the Democrats, too, at this time, acted against their own self-interests by their refusal to convict Clinton in the Senate, thereby preventing the accession of V.P. Al Gore and causing the election of the second President Bush in 2000.

I remember predicting to ALL of my friends, that Clinton would resign in the second half of his second term. It was an absolute no-brainer option for the Dems: give algore a couple of years in the White House, BEFORE the 2000 election, and he would be very likely to stay there for 10 years. My mistake was assuming Clinton would do ANYTHING, for any reason other than naked self interest, no matter how much it might benefit his party (or his family, or his country)...

18 posted on 11/17/2019 9:24:51 AM PST by Who is John Galt? ("He therefore who may resist, must be allowed to strike.")
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The comments at American Thinker to this article are interesting. There is a person claiming to be the author of the piece claiming that he is NOT a NeverTrumper...but then there is nothing from AmericanThinker itself identifying him as the author...just his claim to be such.

So, if the author of this piece is REALLY interested in making his case that he is NOT a NeverTrumper, then he’ll have it pulled, or at least add some type of an update to the piece, since he certainly comes across as a NeverTrumper.

...and if the piece doesn’t change, then he’s more likely a high school kid having some fun with us.


21 posted on 11/17/2019 10:38:03 AM PST by BobL (I drive a pickup truck to work because it makes me feel like a man.)
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There were two key Senate moments in Clinton's impeachment. The first and public one was Sen. Harkin(Dungheap-IA)'s question of Chief Justice Rehnquist receiving the answer that yes, the Senate essentially could make up any rules it wanted for its 'trial.' The second and still secret one was when the Senate went into secret session and came out with a 100-0 vote to throw out its pre-existing Presidential impeachment trial rules, crafted for Andrew Johnson and recently revised for hopeful use against Presidents Nixon and Reagan. And to substitute procedures that weren't much closer to a real trial than Schiff's are to an impeachment hearing. In spite of on paper the GOP having the votes to keep the old rules. The House Impeachment Managers literally had a roomful of evidence none of the Senate Democrats and few of the Senate Republicans chose to review and the 100-0 vote's consequence was that none of it could be introduced in the widely viewed 'trial' telecast to end run the MSM truth blockade. At the time I wasn't afraid of 'that idiot alGore.' A couple years of him running the show would have shown everyone just how incompetent he was. The only folks who thought otherwise were the Senate Republicans. The Democrats realized this, their solidity with the obviously guilty Clinton, was essentially a no confidence vote on Gore.

Fifteen Senators remain from that 100-0 secret vote to throw Clinton's impeachment: eight Republicans (Crapo, Enzi, Collins, Roberts, Inhofe, Shelby, McConnell, Grassley) and seven Democrats (Schumer, Reed, Durbin, Wyden, Murray, Feinstein, Leahy.) Then House Manager, now Senator, Lindsey Graham must also remember it, although he was locked out from it. If Schiff fails to self destruct enough to kill impeachment in the House McConnell needs to remember and re-use these precedents and we their voters need to remind them about them.

22 posted on 11/17/2019 12:00:28 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer (waiting for the tweets to hatch)
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I classify this as a “what if” exercise.

I disagree with the author’s premise,but it might have worked.


24 posted on 11/17/2019 4:23:20 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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Clinton had an insurance policy from the beginning of his presidency to ensure that his fellow Dems would never turn against him, 900 FBI files kept in the White House under his control.


25 posted on 11/18/2019 6:01:11 AM PST by ops33 (SMSgt, USAF, Retired)
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