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What Putin Would Nuke A hypothetical first strike scenario on the United States
Popular Mechanics ^ | Mar 5, 2018 | Joe Pappalardo

Posted on 11/15/2019 2:33:23 PM PST by daniel1212

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To: daniel1212

No way. For Putin to risk surviving our retaliation, he’d need to know our moves for certain, as if he had access to our secrets like through an official’s server kept on a private network for years and........ oh my


21 posted on 11/15/2019 3:14:10 PM PST by ReaganGeneration2
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To: BobL
Putin could NEVER launch a successful first strike against us, simply because we spend 5 times as much on our military,

How much the US spends versus China and Russia is actually misleading since the procurement costs are much different. How much it would cost China to produce a F-35 (if they could) is much less than here. And while the US still spends more, it is far more spread across the globe.

22 posted on 11/15/2019 3:15:54 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

It assumes Putin goes insane and everyone else around him, as well as those firing the missiles, to either also be insane or just going along with it.

Not saying its impossible. It is practically impossible.

The only other halfway plausible scenario is Putin or their systems are misled/tricked into believing they need to fire theirnweapons.


23 posted on 11/15/2019 3:16:41 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Truth29
Why would he expend all this effort? If current trends continue and the American Left is successful in keeping the borders open, demographics will topple the US and the Marxists who would be running the disunited US would embrace their Eastern brothers.

As per the anti-Christ Communist program.

24 posted on 11/15/2019 3:17:40 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: x_plus_one
We have a mine shaft gap.


25 posted on 11/15/2019 3:18:14 PM PST by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^s)
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To: x_plus_one

That doesn’t work as a hypothesis. You can’t live under ground forever. If you have the ability, study the half lives of fission contamination and figure out how to get out of your hole. Then quit watching the SciFi channel.


26 posted on 11/15/2019 3:18:48 PM PST by Equine1952 (Get yourself a ticket on a common mans train of thought))
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To: Openurmind

“That is because Putin doesn’t pay $37 per screw and $640 per toilet seat. lol”

And they also pay their blue collar and white collar defense workers about 30% of what we pay, and probably the same for their (conscripted) troops.

That’s why it’s do damn DANGEROUS to base our national defense on Left Wing talking points.


27 posted on 11/15/2019 3:22:21 PM PST by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't don't tell anyone.)
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To: daniel1212

What a silly article.

“Keep the U.S. from launching an equally crippling counterattack, immediately or in the future.”

Only one of our “Boomer subs” with missiles has the capability to take out Russia as a functional society as they also have the capability to our society. We have many of these subs.

These subs have one mission that is to hide in the deep of the Atlantic, and Pacific and Arctic unseen and undetected. If the sad day happens they are used they will launch hell on the enemy. The enemy will be destroyed with absolute certainty as we in all probability have already been destroyed.

The Russians are not insane thus this will not happen. The Mullahs of Iran are not insane but guided by an insane religion of death and might do this in the future.


28 posted on 11/15/2019 3:24:54 PM PST by cpdiii ( canecutter, deckhand, roughneck, geologist, pilot, pharmacist THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
That would render the planet uninhabitable for a whole host of reasons. The planet includes Russia. Putin is many things but he is not suicidal. The article is crap.

Well, the premise was that Putin was not rational, and which thus enabled the scenario to be postulated as tactically plausible, vs. whether it was plausible to occur.

And exploring such scenarios is useful if MAD/nuclear war is to be avoided under the premise that it is suicidal for both adversities. Billions are spend to make sure nuclear war is.

29 posted on 11/15/2019 3:27:10 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212
Neither Russia nor China can have any conceivable purpose in starting a nuke war... It is plain to them, as to many Americans, that the U.S. is being handed to them in-tact at zero cost and effort and reasonably undamaged...

At least 35% of the serfs will be crowding the shores & streets welcoming their comrades with open arms...

The key part of their strategy to be able to hold on to the U.S. is for the U.S. communists get elected (in 2020, 2022, or 2024) with enough control to eliminate troublemakers and confiscate all guns and ammo...

The communist's history of small surrogate wars/revolutions/coups followed by total permanent communist control is well documented...

30 posted on 11/15/2019 3:28:18 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is Sam Adams now that we desperately need him)
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To: daniel1212

No way. For Putin to risk surviving our retaliation, he’d need to know our moves for certain, as if he had access to our secrets like through an official’s server kept on a private network for years and........ oh my


31 posted on 11/15/2019 3:32:16 PM PST by ReaganGeneration2
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To: x_plus_one

“Deep Underground Military Bases. Underground cities connected by mag lev trains. Boring machines that are 100 ft wide. 8 miles of tunnel a day per machine. For the past 70 years our government has built an underground empire impervious to nuclear war.”

Good one!


32 posted on 11/15/2019 3:34:02 PM PST by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't don't tell anyone.)
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To: BobL

Russia limits abortion to 12 weeks. Much better than here.


33 posted on 11/15/2019 3:36:32 PM PST by bgill
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To: ReaganGeneration2
No way. For Putin to risk surviving our retaliation, he’d need to know our moves for certain, as if he had access to our secrets like through an official’s server kept on a private network for years and........ oh my

Why bother? Just ask the NYT or WAPO.... Of course, the problem then separating truth from fiction.

34 posted on 11/15/2019 3:37:08 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: SuperLuminal
Neither Russia nor China can have any conceivable purpose in starting a nuke war... It is plain to them, as to many Americans, that the U.S. is being handed to them in-tact at zero cost and effort and reasonably undamaged... At least 35% of the serfs will be crowding the shores & streets welcoming their comrades with open arms. The key part of their strategy to be able to hold on to the U.S. is for the U.S. communists get elected (in 2020, 2022, or 2024) with enough control to eliminate troublemakers and confiscate all guns and ammo... The communist's history of small surrogate wars/revolutions/coups followed by total permanent communist control is well documented...

That is the long range strategy.

35 posted on 11/15/2019 3:39:18 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

It won’t be Russia in 2025. It’ll be Iran and sooner than that.


36 posted on 11/15/2019 3:39:45 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: cpdiii
Only one of our “Boomer subs” with missiles has the capability to take out Russia as a functional society as they also have the capability to our society. We have many of these subs

The article factored in having just eight Ohio class nuclear-powered submarines by 2020, taken out by nuclear charges.

These subs have one mission that is to hide in the deep of the Atlantic, and Pacific and Arctic unseen and undetected.

Which presumes they are undetected.

But as said, exploring such scenarios is useful if MAD/nuclear war is to be avoided under the premise that it is suicidal for both adversaries. Both sides must see it as rationally unwinnable.

37 posted on 11/15/2019 3:44:57 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Openurmind

“That is because Putin doesn’t pay $37 per screw and $640 per toilet seat.”

That was simply an accounting trick to hide the expenditures for black budget programs like the B-2 bomber, the F-117, the Aurora, the Navy’s secret (redacted) class nuclear attack submarine, and etc.


38 posted on 11/15/2019 3:47:58 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism.)
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To: bgill

“Russia limits abortion to 12 weeks. Much better than here.”

Russian abortions take 12 weeks to conclude? Wow.


39 posted on 11/15/2019 3:50:43 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism.)
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To: MeganC

And I think you are right on the money with that. :)

But if someone claimed we spend much more than Russia they would be absolutely right.


40 posted on 11/15/2019 3:54:21 PM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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